Ameraucana thread for posting pictures and discussing our birds

[jerryse]

Maybe Ravyn can explain again where the confusion comes from. She can explain it much better than I can, because she has been dealing with them for much longer, but it was something along the lines of EEs were Ameraucanas before the APA set guidelines for the breed. I know that doesn't make sense, but she knows what I'm saying

Well, that pretty much sums it up, SC... lol... actually, Jerry explains it best...

This could turn into a lengthy explanation . The breed history states Ameraucana were created from Araucana . In the early 70's the hatcheries called them Araucana . Pretty much the same stuff they sell now . There was a huge controversy over what a true Araucana's traits should be . Tufted rumpless won . Those of use that did not like lethal genes of the tuft and mechanical problems of mating due to rumpless chose bearded and tails . We created the bantams first . We were the Ameraucana Breeders Club . The breed name was chose by a vote among club members . We had been told that we would never get them in the standard with Araucana in the name . Now some newbies will tell you Easter Eggers were created by crossing Ameraucana with other breeds . Not so . The hatchery birds were here first . They were the source of the blue egg gene . At the time hatcheries called them Araucana the Easter egg chicken . After Araucana were accepted into the standard as tufted rumpless . Then there birds did not fit the description . We got the Ameraucana bantams accepted into the American bantam association standard first . We then went for APA acceptance . There was another club for large fowl . We got the bantams accepted into the APA and as a bonus the large fowl were offered acceptance if they went with the 8 color the bantams had . We absorbed the members of the other club and became the Ameraucana Breeders Club . The standard committee does not set the breed characteristics the breed club did . All traits were voted on by the club membership . This past year there was a split of the club and the Ameraucana Alliance was created .

 

[Saris]

So, if you crossed two EES and they produced a bird within the accepted standards would that offspring be considered an Ameraucana? And vice versa if you bred two Ameruacanas and the offspring didn't fall into the standard it would be an EE?

 

[Ravynscroft]

Thank you, Jerry... I appreciate the clarification and I didn't want to try repeating what you said before cuz I knew I would flub it up, lol...

 

[Saris]

Or would the second example be considered an Ameraucana project bird?

 

[Red Banks]

This could turn into a lengthy explanation . The breed history states Ameraucana were created from Araucana . In the early 70's the hatcheries called them Araucana . Pretty much the same stuff they sell now . There was a huge controversy over what a true Araucana's traits should be . Tufted rumpless won . Those of use that did not like lethal genes of the tuft and mechanical problems of mating due to rumpless chose bearded and tails . We created the bantams first . We were the Ameraucana Breeders Club . The breed name was chose by a vote among club members . We had been told that we would never get them in the standard with Araucana in the name . Now some newbies will tell you Easter Eggers were created by crossing Ameraucana with other breeds . Not so . The hatchery birds were here first . They were the source of the blue egg gene . At the time hatcheries called them Araucana the Easter egg chicken . After Araucana were accepted into the standard as tufted rumpless . Then there birds did not fit the description . We got the Ameraucana bantams accepted into the American bantam association standard first . We then went for APA acceptance . There was another club for large fowl . We got the bantams accepted into the APA and as a bonus the large fowl were offered acceptance if they went with the 8 color the bantams had . We absorbed the members of the other club and became the Ameraucana Breeders Club . The standard committee does not set the breed characteristics the breed club did . All traits were voted on by the club membership . This past year there was a split of the club and the Ameraucana Alliance was created .

So not even the members of the Ameraucana Breeders Club can't agree on Ameraucanas? Just saying....... LOL

 

[jerryse]

Or would the second example be considered an Ameraucana project bird?

Project colors are a special circumstance . Not all projects are popular . I have been known to call some of my own EE in the beginning . I admit to not being a fan of some of the other projects . I want to remain respectful of the effort others put into these projects and hope to receive respect for my efforts . My lavender cuckoo and cuckoo were controversial at first . I called them EE until recently . I have made progress and shown them .

 

[Saris]

Project colors are a special circumstance . Not all projects are popular . I have been known to call some of my own EE in the beginning . I admit to not being a fan of some of the other projects . I want to remain respectful of the effort others put into these projects and hope to receive respect for my efforts . My lavender cuckoo and cuckoo were controversial at first . I called them EE until recently . I have made progress and shown them .

Lavender cuckoo is one variety I want to get someday.

 

[jerryse]

So, if you crossed two EES and they produced a bird within the accepted standards would that offspring be considered an Ameraucana? And vice versa if you bred two Ameruacanas and the offspring didn't fall into the standard it would be an EE?

Oh you lead me into dangerous ground ! If it meets the standard you can show it as Ameraucana . I and others have done this in the past . A responsible breeder will not sell these as Ameraucana without making the buyer aware of the situation . I have sometimes sold project birds early on . I always try to explain the situation .

 

[Saris]

Oh you lead me into dangerous ground ! If it meets the standard you can show it as Ameraucana . I and others have done this in the past . A responsible breeder will not sell these as Ameraucana without making the buyer aware of the situation . I have sometimes sold project birds early on . I always try to explain the situation .

Dangerous territory is the best. Thank you for your easy to understand answer.

 

[jerryse]

So not even the members of the Ameraucana Breeders Club can't agree on Ameraucanas? Just saying....... LOL

It was not over the birds . Ahh election irregularities . Enough said .