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[Cloverleaf Farm]

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Is there any chance those two are a mix of lavender and blue ?

Then they would be blue, and just carry the lavender gene.

 

[3chimama]

I am having so much fun looking at all of your Ameraucana pics!!

 

[SteveH]

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Why would it not be possible for the black to be diluted [by] one copy of the bl and both black [ now diluted to blue ] and red diluted by two copies of the lav ? Does it necessarily have to be either one or the other ?

 

[Cloverleaf Farm]

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Why would it not be possible for the black to be diluted [by] one copy of the bl and both black [ now diluted to blue ] and red diluted by two copies of the lav ? Does it necessarily have to be either one or the other ?

I'm not sure if I understand what you are asking, and maybe someone else will be able to answer you better, but lavender doesn't "dilute" color. It is hidden, so if you for example, bred blacks to lavs, you end up with splits, so black birds that carry the lavender gene. When you breed those splits together, you will get some lavs and some blacks. It's like recessive white in the Faverolles, if you have two salmon faverolles that carry the recessive white gene, when you breed them, you can get some whites, and some salmons that carry the recessive white gene, or some salmons that don't carry the recessive white gene. But the parents both still look salmon, not diluted at all...
Is that what you are asking??

 

[Kathelyne]

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Thanks! But what happened to the "u" ??????

 

[SteveH]

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Why would it not be possible for the black to be diluted [by] one copy of the bl and both black [ now diluted to blue ] and red diluted by two copies of the lav ? Does it necessarily have to be either one or the other ?

I'm not sure if I understand what you are asking, and maybe someone else will be able to answer you better, but lavender doesn't "dilute" color. It is hidden, so if you for example, bred blacks to lavs, you end up with splits, so black birds that carry the lavender gene. When you breed those splits together, you will get some lavs and some blacks. It's like recessive white in the Faverolles, if you have two salmon faverolles that carry the recessive white gene, when you breed them, you can get some whites, and some salmons that carry the recessive white gene, or some salmons that don't carry the recessive white gene. But the parents both still look salmon, not diluted at all...
Is that what you are asking??

Actually I must have no understanding at all of the lavender gene because I thought it was a recessive dilutant that worked on both black and red ; blacks being called self blues or lavender depending on breed ; and porcelain or isabel , depending on pattern , when expressed by diluting both red and black .
ETA : Naturally a recessive dilutant would not be expressed in a split ; the splits having only one copy of it . IF I understand how lavender works , I still don't know if its possible for both blue and lavender to be expressed in the same bird .

 

[dak]

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I'm not sure if I understand what you are asking, and maybe someone else will be able to answer you better, but lavender doesn't "dilute" color. It is hidden, so if you for example, bred blacks to lavs, you end up with splits, so black birds that carry the lavender gene. When you breed those splits together, you will get some lavs and some blacks. It's like recessive white in the Faverolles, if you have two salmon faverolles that carry the recessive white gene, when you breed them, you can get some whites, and some salmons that carry the recessive white gene, or some salmons that don't carry the recessive white gene. But the parents both still look salmon, not diluted at all...
Is that what you are asking??

Actually I must have no understanding at all of the lavender gene because I thought it was a recessive dilutant that worked on both black and red ; blacks being called self blues or lavender depending on breed ; and porcelain or isabel , depending on pattern , when expressed by diluting both red and black .
ETA : Naturally a recessive dilutant would not be expressed in a split ; the splits having only one copy of it . IF I understand how lavender works , I still don't know if its possible for both blue and lavender to be expressed in the same bird .

IFFF I understand what you are asking.... A blue Ameraucana with two copies of the self-blue (aka lavender) gene would be a lavender. What I think people are unsure of is if this would result in a even lighter lavender. I don't know if this is helpful.

 

[SteveH]

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That's the way I say it ; but I think the rau should probably be pronounced raw or rah . When I think about it I don't believe I've ever had a verbal discussion with anyone about them that did not call them Americanas , with the emphasis on can pronounced as its spelled

 

[Shaffer]

Dak,
What you have stated is absolutely correct. I have Lavender Orpingtons Projectos with one blue gene and they are such a soft color with complete eveness. They have a distinction from a regular lavender but it is not very obvious to the novice breeder.

 

[SteveH]

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Thanks dak , so it is possible to have a lavender blue ? And was my thinking that lav dilutes both black and red correct ?
ETA : Thank you , Shaffer , for answering the first question before I even asked . So what happens when you breed lavender blue orpington to lavender blue orpington ; won't some be splash ?