Anybody know about Greenfire Lavender Orpington eggs? $25-$30/egg?

[lildinkem]

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so single head shot reflects the quality of his stock.."and it does"

thats as bad as someone showing a picture of there eggs and claiming they will be show quaility chicks....

lololol I see ALOT of SHOW QUALITY EGGS on EGGBID nowadays. And some sellers are saying in the auction these pics are represenative of the birds that will hatch. Whats with that? I can't believe someone can not get a pic of their birds.
That Lav Roo you can see a bit of the birds back. And I know IF I was selling something very exotic, I'd show some more pics. I hope for the folks who get any bird, even the purebred standard color ones has to know there is always room for improvement. And I am getting the idea there is room for these birds. But, you got the color, and the time, you can do it.
I seen lots of improvements with many folks here on the Lav project. Just be willing to be patient. I bet by the time of the Big Orp show here in Indy there will be folks entering them. I hope so. I'd like to see some.

 

[WalkingWolf]

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so single head shot reflects the quality of his stock.."and it does"

thats as bad as someone showing a picture of there eggs and claiming they will be show quaility chicks....

That's as bad as someone claiming show quality chicks from eggs PERIOD... This is one of my pet peeeves and is no doubt misleading as heck. A chick is not show quality unless it places at a show. And then it is worth a heck of a lot more than people are willing to pay. If I could get $30 and egg for mutts I would, and would not feel guilty in the least bit as long as I told people they are mutts. I am ashamed at the jealousy that we Americans have shown in recent years, somebody always begrudging somebody for doing well.

Did Paul say they were show quality in his listing? What was the description in the listing?

 

[Cara]

We have parallel threads running here, so i'm going to be lazy and cut and paste.

onthespot wrote:
Well then, the way I see it, if hinkjc is not making the "better" ones available, then the "lesser" ones are the only game in town. In that case, I see no other option for people wanting to work on the project themselves and they have to buy in at a "lower level" if they want in now. The price must just be an indicator of the number of people that want "in" and how badly they want to be a part of the project, or they may even want them for some other project they have in mind, not even orpingtons. To them, the lanky frame may be a plus, who knows? It is not an indication of greed on the seller's part, other than not disclosing the "project" stage of the birds. Anyone who plunks down crazy money for off colored birds (which is all they are at this point) is either badly misinformed or they have a plan in mind and this is the right move for them at this point in their plan.

Cara wrote:
The issue is that Jody and Charlie made these birds available on the understanding that firstly they are a work in progress, a project, and that they should be improved upon. This seller makes no mention of the need for improvement and is selling them as the real deal. They're doing the breed a disservice, as will anyone who believes that they have purchased actual Lavender Orpingtons.

It isn't up to the Hinkles to do all the work, seriously!! Those who bought project eggs should be improving upon what they have, not expecting to have everything handed to them on a plate. The lesser ones are the only ones available in this case because the seller is more concerned about a quick buck.

I can vouch for the fact that Jody contacted me before the eggs had even been mailed and explained their wishes for the project, and this seller's behaviour is the complete opposite of their intention. I know if i'd had any questions about how best to continue they would have been there to help. Now compare that to someone advertising 'one of the rarest breeds in the world' when they know full well that what they're actually selling is a work in progress.​

 

[Cara]

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so single head shot reflects the quality of his stock.."and it does"

thats as bad as someone showing a picture of there eggs and claiming they will be show quaility chicks....

That's as bad as someone claiming show quality chicks from eggs PERIOD... This is one of my pet peeeves and is no doubt misleading as heck. A chick is not show quality unless it places at a show. And then it is worth a heck of a lot more than people are willing to pay. If I could get $30 and egg for mutts I would, and would not feel guilty in the least bit as long as I told people they are mutts. I am ashamed at the jealousy that we Americans have shown in recent years, somebody always begrudging somebody for doing well.

Did Paul say they were show quality in his listing? What was the description in the listing?

I don't believe anyone is begrudging them for doing well. My bone with them is that they are doing it at the expense of the breed. They are intentionally portraying these eggs as something they are not for the express purpose of making money. They are misleading their customers.

 

[hinkjc]

Jealousy...um, I don't think so. Since I developed the birds, I think I have equal right to discuss them and how they should be presented to others. Dishonesty is not something to be jealous over. Go back and read the first post. The OP points out this seller lied outright to her by claiming they got these birds from a "guy in GA". That's an outright lie and I know it because he got them from me. I have the shipping receipts to prove it and online payment records. So why be dishonest? To continue the misleading info that began right inside those auctions. End of story.

And I might add that when he purchased stock from me, he claimed he was going to "continue to work on them" and "use them to add genetic diversity to his sussex line". So he lied to me too. Not someone I will do business with again.

 

[WalkingWolf]

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Did he only buy birds from you? Are you sure? So a few get to set the standards for how others sell? This is still America it is his business to run as he wishes, there is no law requiring one to list as someone else demands. I'll talk to him about your accusations, and you have done business with him you know that he more than welcomes questions. Have you attempted to talk to him?

 

[onthespot]

So... after the variety is "perfected" and accepted into APA, how much will they be worth then? What would be your price for a dozen lavender orp eggs from a pen of "showable" parent stock? This is an open question to anyone who wants to answer, not just hinkjc.

How do you know this sale will be "at the expense of the breed"? I feel it is highly likely that the winning buyer will go on and spend quiet a bit on stock to improve what they hatch, personally. Chickens reproduce like rats, if you incubate the eggs. If you don't want genetics "out there" you shouldn't sell them on ebay. You should carefully place them with trusted breeder friends, even with written stipulations, legal contracts if you REALLY want control after the sale. When you auction stuf off, you lose control the minute you ship those eggs. You could have a gentlemens' agreement with a trusted friend and still have the current auction under discussion sort of an event. Things change, people change their mind, they do what they are going to do. Even with handshake deals and contracts they are often broken and cost more to go after the breaker than you could ever recover, if anything.

Let it go. The guy is selling the product of your breeding program. I see the same frustration with the guy I got my mille fleur cochin start from. He is just twisted up in knots sometimes seeing what directions the mille cochin project is going. Not according to his plan at ALL, but some people have different dreams, different ideas of what is the right direction to go with their birds. Last I checked this WAS America, land of the sorta free.

Hinkjc is not releasing version 2010.3.4 at this point, so the only thing people can do is work with version 2009 and update their own program as able.

 

[hinkjc]

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See original topic...I responded to the OP's questions and stated the facts about these birds and why they could potentially be fetching such a price.

 

[Jess N Jeff]

I'm confused here...isn't the original issue being that they are "project" birds yet they are being sold as the real deal? If that is so, then why is onthespot and walkingwolf all up in arms? It seems like you guys are taking this personal?

Why? Are you buds with Greenfire?

 

[onthespot]

I think the buyer can tell just from a head shot they are project birds. If they can't then it will be a classic case of "When a man with experience meets a man with money, the man with the experience gets the money, and the man with the money gets the experience." I assume they have money to burn in any case, or they would not bid that high. Either that or they know what they are and really "need" these birds THIS SEASON according to their plans.