bloody poop on a Sunday

[HenOnTheHill]

Sadly, I lost one of the chicks this morning. She was barely moving when I checked on them and I brought her into the house to try to hand feed/water her, but she passed away in my arms. Poor thing. :`( The other two were on their feet and still seem listless, but both ate some oatmeal that I made for them and both seemed to have something in their crop (so I think they are still drinking/eating what I have set out for them).

Cross your fingers and thanks again for everyone's help. As a resurrected chicken owner (had them when I was a kid, but also with a kid's memory of how things worked!), I can't tell you how grateful I am to be able to have this site and fellow participants as a resource!

 

[casportpony]

What vitamins should I supplement with when the 5 days are over? I've tried introducing yogurt, but the small ones aren't as into it as the rest of my older flock is. I have chick electrolytes on hand. Would those work?

I was fortunately able to get Corid today (had to drive 45 minutes, but it is worth the peace of mind to get them started on it). The Corid I purchased is "for Bovine." Am I correct in understanding that this is the same product used for the chicks?

When I gave the mixed water to the chicks, all three drank pretty willingly, which seems like a good sign. There are also three guinea (8 weeks old) in the same run with the chicks, but they all seem ok (normal poop, eating like banshees, running wildly around-typical guinea behavior!). They will get the medicated water anyway.

Should I treat the rest of my older flock? They are in a separate coop (though attached to the chick run) and no one has shown any signs of infection. Do I need to disinfect the run in anyway after treatment?

Sorry for so many questions. I just want to make sure my bases are covered!

The Corid (amprolium) sold in the US is labled for cattle, but the amprolium sold in Canada is labeled for cattle and poultry. The amounts listed below are to medicate water to the .012% level.




-Kathy

 

[HenOnTheHill]

The Corid (amprolium) sold in the US is labled for cattle, but the amprolium sold in Canada is labeled for cattle and poultry. The amounts listed below are to medicate water to the .012% level.




-Kathy

Does the print on the powdered version of Corid say 1/4 teaspoon per gallon or 1/2 teaspoon? The text is so small it is hard to read. I added in 1/2 teaspoon for a quart last night. Would this have been way too strong for the birds to handle? I will go remix the water now...!

 

[casportpony]

Does the print on the powdered version of Corid say 1/4 teaspoon per gallon or 1/2 teaspoon? The text is so small it is hard to read. I added in 1/2 teaspoon for a quart last night. Would this have been way too strong for the birds to handle? I will go remix the water now...!

It says 3/4 teaspoon.
http://www.corid.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/me_powder-60170.pdf

 

[casportpony]

Does the print on the powdered version of Corid say 1/4 teaspoon per gallon or 1/2 teaspoon? The text is so small it is hard to read. I added in 1/2 teaspoon for a quart last night. Would this have been way too strong for the birds to handle? I will go remix the water now...!

I have not done the math for the powder yet, but I know that the amount listed for the liquid medicates the water to .012%, which is what is recommended for moderate outbreaks and twice that for severe outbreaks (2 teaspoons or 9.5-10ml of the liquid), so I think the amount you used is *well* within the safe limit. For severe outbreaks you want 900-1000mg of medicine per gallon for severe, half that for moderate outbreaks.

If you're like me, you've probably tried to find the Corid powder dose and you kept seeing people say 1/2 teaspoon /gallon for powder, 2 teaspoons/gallon for liquid. 2 is correct for the liquid, but 1/2 for the powder is wrong, wrong, wrong. Seems that people, myself included, never bothered to do the math, so this mis-information keeps getting passed along.

-Kathy

 

[Jakoda]

question, when treating with corid, can you or can you not eat the eggs from the laying hens if they are on it?If not, how long do you wait after say a 5 day treatment?

So in the end, it's 3/4 tsp per one gallon of water for the powder correct?
Diane

 

[BantamLover21]

question, when treating with corid, can you or can you not eat the eggs from the laying hens if they are on it?If not, how long do you wait after say a 5 day treatment?

So in the end, it's 3/4 tsp per one gallon of water for the powder correct?
Diane

You can eat the eggs when using Corid, as it isn't as much a drug as a thiamine inhibitor (thiamine is what sustains Coccidia, so a lack of it kills them). And yes, 3/4 teaspoon per gallon of water is correct.

 

[casportpony]

question, when treating with corid, can you or can you not eat the eggs from the laying hens if they are on it?If not, how long do you wait after say a 5 day treatment?

So in the end, it's 3/4 tsp per one gallon of water for the powder correct?
Diane

I believe you *can* eat the eggs.

The dose is *no less* than 3/4 teaspoon, but I still need to do the math. I need to figure out how many teaspoons of the powder equal 960mg (liquid dose at .024%).

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

You can eat the eggs when using Corid, as it isn't as much a drug as a thiamine inhibitor (thiamine is what sustains Coccidia, so a lack of it kills them). And yes, 3/4 teaspoon per gallon of water is correct.

That is correct for the water to be medicated at the .012% (moderate outbreaks) level, but not the .024% level (severe outbreaks). Since I haven't done the math yet, I don't feel comfortable saying that it's 1.5 teaspoons is the amout needed to treat at the .024% level, but it's probably close to that. 960mg is the magic number, just need to figure out how to get there with the powder, lol.

Disclaimer: I am not smarter than a 5th grader, lol.

-Kathy

 

[HenOnTheHill]

I am happy to report that the other two little chicks seem to be recovering and on the mend. No more bloody poop, perkier attitudes, and eating/drinking/moving around again. The guineas never showed any signs of being infected, perhaps their immune systems are already tough enough.

I talked with a girlfriend today who got chicks this summer and had them vaccinated for Cocci. The chicks I have came from the same hatchery, though I'll have to check with the guy who raised them before me to see if they were also vaccinated. Question though: my girlfriend said that she was instructed NOT to feed medicated feed as this would negate the vaccinations given. Is this true? Can anyone explain why? It is so interesting and I never would have thought this to be the case.