Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[Chris09]

Look at the difference between the U.S. Araucana and the U.K. Araucana talk about a big difference.
http://www.araucana.org.uk/photos.html

Chris

 

[saladin]

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I'd swear that was nothing more than a colored Crevecour! I don't see any Araucana in those birds.

 

[fowlman01]

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I dunno...they are almost the same except for the head and tail. I'm a bit of a poultry snob, so is it just me, or does it seem as if other countries don't put as much into conditioning as we do. Maybe they are just bad pics, but there is sure a lot of them. Other than the American and AOSB classes it seems that we have pretty different looking birds.
It's not good or bad, they are just different. I judged with a So African judge at Columbus one year and he put a lot on feathers (color/condition)....a lot more than he put on type. Type did not seem to bother him much. He did an interesting thing....not sure if it would fly here though. He would tape a small feather from the bird to the coop card and explain it's good points and bad points...if there were any bad points. He did not do this with every bird, just the ones that showed something he wanted to communicate to the owner.


It was very interesting to see now he judged. We were judging together, as it was an APA qualifying meet. He did get the two best birds at the end. I enjoy getting that kind of perspective.

Walt

 

[Chris09]

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I dunno...they are almost the same except for the head and tail. I'm a bit of a poultry snob, so is it just me, or does it seem as if other countries don't put as much into conditioning as we do. Maybe they are just bad pics, but there is sure a lot of them. Other than the American and AOSB classes it seems that we have pretty different looking birds.
It's not good or bad, they are just different. I judged with a So African judge at Columbus one year and he put a lot on feathers (color/condition)....a lot more than he put on type. Type did not seem to bother him much. He did an interesting thing....not sure if it would fly here though. He would tape a small feather from the bird to the coop card and explain it's good points and bad points...if there were any bad points. He did not do this with every bird, just the ones that showed something he wanted to communicate to the owner.


It was very interesting to see now he judged. We were judging together, as it was an APA qualifying meet. He did get the two best birds at the end. I enjoy getting that kind of perspective.

Walt

See to me they look closer to the U.S. Ameraucana but I agree them are some badly conditioned birds.

I also like what the S American judge was doing by putting a feather on the car and describing good and bad points.

Chris

 

[fowlman01]

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I dunno...they are almost the same except for the head and tail. I'm a bit of a poultry snob, so is it just me, or does it seem as if other countries don't put as much into conditioning as we do. Maybe they are just bad pics, but there is sure a lot of them. Other than the American and AOSB classes it seems that we have pretty different looking birds.
It's not good or bad, they are just different. I judged with a So African judge at Columbus one year and he put a lot on feathers (color/condition)....a lot more than he put on type. Type did not seem to bother him much. He did an interesting thing....not sure if it would fly here though. He would tape a small feather from the bird to the coop card and explain it's good points and bad points...if there were any bad points. He did not do this with every bird, just the ones that showed something he wanted to communicate to the owner.


It was very interesting to see now he judged. We were judging together, as it was an APA qualifying meet. He did get the two best birds at the end. I enjoy getting that kind of perspective.

Walt

See to me they look closer to the U.S. Ameraucana but I agree them are some badly conditioned birds.

I also like what the S American judge was doing by putting a feather on the car and describing good and bad points.

Chris

Yes, they are closer to the Ameraucana. If we pulled feathers off here, we would probably be lynched. They were small body feathers that did not ruin anything, but I know that some people would go nuts if I did that. I think it would be a good teaching opportunity though.

Walt

 

[Chris09]

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I think it would be very good teaching opportunity but like you said it probably wouldn't fly.

Chris

 

[jmc]

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Many folks just do not understand that just because they call a breed by the same name in another country, it is not neccessarily the same breed. When you have 60+ years seperating the two country's breed, they go in seperate directions many times. Even in the USA type can vary from different regions. IS THIS TRUE? WOULD SUCH BIRDS IN ONE PART OF THE USA BE RECOGNIZED AS THE SAME BREED AS THE 'DIFFERENT' ONES IN ANOTHER REGION? AND WITH EQUAL CLAIMS TO BEING CALLED 'HERITAGE' AND 'STANDARD BRED'? Hope someone can answer this.

 

[fowlman01]

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Many folks just do not understand that just because they call a breed by the same name in another country, it is not neccessarily the same breed. When you have 60+ years seperating the two country's breed, they go in seperate directions many times. Even in the USA type can vary from different regions. IS THIS TRUE? WOULD SUCH BIRDS IN ONE PART OF THE USA BE RECOGNIZED AS THE SAME BREED AS THE 'DIFFERENT' ONES IN ANOTHER REGION? AND WITH EQUAL CLAIMS TO BEING CALLED 'HERITAGE' AND 'STANDARD BRED'? Hope someone can answer this.


There are some regional differences, but you would have to be a judge to notice them. Subtle differences in tails, color etc. The SOP is pretty clear about DQ'ing birds that do not fit the SOP description....and that is true in all of the US and Canada.

Walt

 

[Janet Hatch]

I have posted pics of my Buckeye cockerels. They are numbered with letters; all of the same number are the same bird (73-A, 73-B, 73-C). #73 was hatched 1-1-2011; the remainder are 2-7-2011. Most are ALBC/Brown. One pictured is Urch. Any insights anyone would care to share would be welcomed.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/98521379@N00/5986436624/in/photostream/

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

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There are some regional differences, but you would have to be a judge to notice them. Subtle differences in tails, color etc. The SOP is pretty clear about DQ'ing birds that do not fit the SOP description....and that is true in all of the US and Canada.

Walt

With the Buff Orpingtons, some lines are more Lemon and others more Orange. The "medium" comb also varies. Translation of the SOP some have said. We all see through different glasses. One breeder may concentrate more on one trait and another breeder on a different trait. There is now a small group of Orp breeders that are trading stock. Taking a suggestion on what the ALBC did with the Buckeye, we are staying within a line and crossing several strains. We all have stock that originated from , or partly from ,Twisted Feather/Terry Britt. I guess we are introducing first or second cousins. We should all get improvements without much ill effect.

Not sure I would want to go much more drastic an outcross than that.

On the DQ. Seldom have I seen a bird DQ. I was clerking for a kudge once who removed a RV placing from an Ameracauna hen. It was lovely. When he started to place Best of reed, she squatted to lay. We were ahead of schedule so the judge said we would just wait on her. Out dropped a wet BROWN egg. Ooops. I guess he didn"t actually DQ, he just scrathed out the RV and wrote "wrong egg color". That was in the early days of the Ameraucanas. I have seen a lot of "stubbs" written. It helps to know why a bird was DQ. Then we can go home and make corrections. And dumplins!