Breda Fowl thread

[Sylvester017]

There was someone I was chatting with yesterday and he was telling me he uses fresh garlic to worm his chickens he said he chopped it up and puts it in their water he was also talking about how he used a different method to feed his chickens to increase the protein and build a disease resistance Barrier for his chickens he said he buy purina laying pellets and depending on how many chickens u have put a half scoop and for example if u have 10 chickens put 5 scoops of pellets and pour it in a bucket and fill it with water about a inch above the feed and let it set for two days and it will increase the protein and add probiotics from breaking down the feed don't know if it really works anyone have any thoughts

I have not come across any research yet to have pros for either garlic or ACV water. In fact, I found a couple sites that listed them as either ineffective or even have a toxic effect. I ordered Breda from a breeder that only used ACV and garlic as "natural wormers" for their stock. The two juvenile birds they shipped to me not only had respiratory issues, but were so riddled with bloody cocci and worms that my vet had to put one down. The breeder was adamant that they had healthy birds but my vet said the chicken he put down had been ill for quite a while for it not to respond to treatment and that if the conditions had been addressed with proper medication at the start the bird would've survived. Cocci and worms are easy to treat with proper medication and homeopathic remedies just aren't enough. Serious conditions need to be treated with serious medicine and not homemade doctoring JMHO. As for fermenting feed, the B vitamins break down and change properties. Read the article about why but don't ask me to find it now -- at the time it was fleeting research and I didn't bookmark it!

Poultryhelp.com updated their website for toxic plant listings and their effects on poultry. It's a personal thing how people feed/treat their chickens but I find the poultryhelp list helpful for myself.
http://www.poultryhelp.com/toxicplants.html

 

[Sylvester017]

Yes they (Cuckoo) are a larger bird with longer vulture hocks, better comb, feet feathers and top line. They do often have faulty egg color though.

Hi RFR! My Cuckoo from you started with light pinkish eggs but over time they started to go very light -- not quite white but no longer tinted -- more of a cream white.

Later eggs lost the pink hue and looked more white -- she layed every day and only missed a couple days when she started laying and it worried us. But when she went broody we relaxed that her body was finally getting a rest.


The first egg was pinkish.




She is a lovely bird -- different in personality from the Blue we got from you but definitely just as sweet and as good and kind a flockmate as the Blue was. I love her vulture hocks. She went broody for 3 weeks but she's back to normal with the flock again.

 

[maryellen21]

Fermenting food is easy for a few chickens. I did it for a while. But like chickendanz,said, it takes alot of time, you can't free feed,etc...for alot of chickens it just doesn't work.
As far as garlic to deworm, it doesn't work.

 

[SilkiesForEver]

I'm all for natural treatment methods. In fact, I've used them for years for all my animals. However, I think they should be used regularly as preventatives. When there are huge issues they usually don't cure it.

 

[boskelli1571]

I'm all for natural treatment methods. In fact, I've used them for years for all my animals. However, I think they should be used regularly as preventatives. When there are huge issues they usually don't cure it.

Agreed. I believe they can certainly help boost natural immunity & health but they don't 'cure all'. It's a balance between herbal and medical care that works the best imho.

 

[Sylvester017]

I'm all for natural treatment methods. In fact, I've used them for years for all my animals. However, I think they should be used regularly as preventatives. When there are huge issues they usually don't cure it.

Apparently they don't work as preventatives either. The two birds I ordered from an ACV/garlic breeder shipped me two birds with cocci, worms, and one had severe respiratory issues too. The breeder refused to admit their homeopathic ACV/garlic preventatives didn't work until I offered to provide the paperwork and costs of the veterinarian who had to put one of the birds down! Owners can do what they want with their flocks but I no longer rely on ACV or garlic as preventatives. Garlic itself is listed as toxic to chickens.

 

[boskelli1571]

Apparently they don't work as preventatives either. The two birds I ordered from an ACV/garlic breeder shipped me two birds with cocci, worms, and one had severe respiratory issues too. The breeder refused to admit their homeopathic ACV/garlic preventatives didn't work until I offered to provide the paperwork and costs of the veterinarian who had to put one of the birds down! Owners can do what they want with their flocks but I no longer rely on ACV or garlic as preventatives. Garlic itself is listed as toxic to chickens.

I agree wholeheartedly! If you are a breeder, you must look to the health of all of your birds and take the correct steps to keep your flock healthy and disease free. If I was a serious breeder, my birds would be vaccinated, wormed etc. since the health of your breeding stock is of prime importance. As a 'backyarder', I'm able to assess the health of my small flock and treat accordingly. Although I do use herbs, I also use wormers, medicated chick feed etc. - its' a matter of caring for your flock since they rely on you for all aspects of their care.

 

[chicken danz]

The key to a healthy bird is to keep them in top shape to begin with. I think the thing I see the most often with other chicken owners is that they allow the water to get dirty and then just top it off. Mine get their water dumped and freshened every day. Also the ability to free range and get what they want from nature is really beneficial to their health. My egg layers free range but my breeders don't get to. I wish there were a way I could let them run and still keep them pure.
Dietary needs should include some fresh fruit and veggies as well as grains and other protein.
There is nothing you can do to prevent chickens getting worms so it's wise to worm them on a regular schedule. If they don't have a gut load of worms and don't have lice or mites, and are receiving proper nutrition they should be resistant to getting sick....aside from physical problems they are born with.

 

[Sylvester017]

I agree wholeheartedly! If you are a breeder, you must look to the health of all of your birds and take the correct steps to keep your flock healthy and disease free. If I was a serious breeder, my birds would be vaccinated, wormed etc. since the health of your breeding stock is of prime importance. As a 'backyarder', I'm able to assess the health of my small flock and treat accordingly. Although I do use herbs, I also use wormers, medicated chick feed etc. - its' a matter of caring for your flock since they rely on you for all aspects of their care.

Yes, I do believe some herbs, etc, are nice "assistants" to good health care. I was specifically addressing the ACV/garlic issue as a useless preventative. Poor babies, they really do rely on us humans for their care.

 

[rooster 2011]

I don't worm any of mine using garlic either i use worming capsule pills to give them I get them from a breeder who breeds gamefowl it's call patts old time chicken wormer he sales it on eBay too sometimes it's really good stuff never had any worms u only give them every 3 months after giving them the pills