Breeding Aseels

[Danish aseels]

Are you able to see how they keep the birds, particularly in terms of nutrition and housing? Based upon what I can see on the internet, they are kept under much more tightly managed conditions even during the juvenile stage. Opinions on their keep in the US are not consistent. They mature slow, like my strain of American Games. They are also smart in some ways, and not smart in other ways. They take cold better than I thought, but are not as frugal with feed when temperatures drop. They are slow, but have good endurance. Selection on them has been intense to promote the odd posture and feathering which has multiple loci involved as grades into American Games are obvious even after four generations.

(Sorry for the late reply)

I believe the type of housing you are talking about are khuda as shown in this Youtube video:

These type cages are cost effective, effective and space saving. These types of cages are usually built with concrete cement and bricks they are good because they can easily be kept cold in the summer and hot is the winter(easy to maintain temperature). Birds kept in this type of housing will not spend there whole life/24 hours inside these cages, either they will be let out to free rage every day or every now and then. Most of the time people in Pakistan will have multiple breeding pair/flock so each breeding pair/flock will be not let out together.


There are many breeds of Aseels in Pakistan and many types of blood line within those breeds each blood line is different, for example with in mianwali Aseel breed you will find many blood lines some blood lines will be tall height and some blood lines will be small hight, and some blood lines will be fast and will have low endurance While some blood lines will be slow but have high endurance and some blood lines will be fast and have high endurance(mine have never fought and will never fight so I am not sure about them but I can tell you my bigger Aseel roosters are slower but a lot more braver than my smaller Aseel roosters).

The feed given to Aseels in Pakistan in summer is Pearl millet(Bajra) which is soaked in water for some time and then washed and given to birds, some times but not often in summer little quantities of other types of grains and poultry feed are mixed with Pearl millet to complete the birds/Aseels nutritional requirements, they are also given diffident Types of vegetables and fruit.


Aseels in the winter are given a mixture of different grains and poultry feed/pellets ( some of the grains are pearl millet, corn, red rice, small white rice, chickpeas, lentils, wheat, oats)(they are also given 13 and 14 number chicken feed not hundred percent sure).

(I am just a hobbyist and not an expert so take my information with a grain of salt)

(sorry for grammatical and spelling mistakes)

 

[Danish aseels]

Are you able to see how they keep the birds, particularly in terms of nutrition and housing? Based upon what I can see on the internet, they are kept under much more tightly managed conditions even during the juvenile stage. Opinions on their keep in the US are not consistent. They mature slow, like my strain of American Games. They are also smart in some ways, and not smart in other ways. They take cold better than I thought, but are not as frugal with feed when temperatures drop. They are slow, but have good endurance. Selection on them has been intense to promote the odd posture and feathering which has multiple loci involved as grades into American Games are obvious even after four generations.

(things I forgot to write in previous reply)
Many people in Pakistan keep Aseels on rooftops or small area of there houses like balconies that’s why care is also different. cages with bottoms made of concrete cement and bricks cause a lot of stress on the birds feet because of this bumble foot is a big problem in this type of housing. I have experienced Aseel are slower growers then
egg laying layer breeds.
please feel free to ask any questions

 

[centrarchid]

(things I forgot to write in previous reply)
Many people in Pakistan keep Aseels on rooftops or small area of there houses like balconies that’s why care is also different. cages with bottoms made of concrete cement and bricks cause a lot of stress on the birds feet because of this bumble foot is a big problem in this type of housing. I have experienced Aseel are slower growers then
egg laying layer breeds.
please feel free to ask any questions

Is bumble foot seasonal there? Here, I associate bumble foot with high moisture coupled with lots of organic matter that is of the sort bacteria consume.

The pens that to my eye make managing against external parasite very difficult. That could be part of selective force promoting the hard feathering.

 

[centrarchid]

Do they make an effort to supplement feed-stuffs and feeds you describe with fodder?

 

[centrarchid]

The bumble foot issue is becoming more evident in how it starts with the khuda containment system. It appears not unlike what is used with the deep litter approach. Feet are in continuous contact with most organic matter that is prone to rapid decay. Here people attribute bumble foot to impact forces on the feet coming off a roost that is too high. My chickens jump 1.5 meters onto gravel when penned or fly down from nearly 8 meters to a gravel driveway when roosting in a tree near house without foot health problems.

Problems of the bumble foot sort are after a fight causing mechanical damage to feet when ground is chronically wet and covered in feces / feed waste. Occasionally a not fight related shows during really wet weather. To correct bumble foot, I keep moving birds over fresh and ideally dry ground.

 

[Danish aseels]

The bumble foot issue is becoming more evident in how it starts with the khuda containment system. It appears not unlike what is used with the deep litter approach. Feet are in continuous contact with most organic matter that is prone to rapid decay. Here people attribute bumble foot to impact forces on the feet coming off a roost that is too high. My chickens jump 1.5 meters onto gravel when penned or fly down from nearly 8 meters to a gravel driveway when roosting in a tree near house without foot health problems.

Problems of the bumble foot sort are after a fight causing mechanical damage to feet when ground is chronically wet and covered in feces / feed waste. Occasionally a not fight related shows during really wet weather. To correct bumble foot, I keep moving birds over fresh and ideally dry ground.

My belief is there are two reasons for bumble foot in this type of housing, the first is that the birds feet are in continuous contact with waste(which people remedy by cleaning cages 1-2 times a day), and second reason is that the birds are in continuous contact with the hard concrete floor, these both problems can be solved with having bedding/soil on the floor. I used to have bedding(soil) in my cages but had to remove it because I had gotten insect infestation in it, after removing the soil I have started to get a lot of cases of bumble foot in my birds, my personal experience is bedding is very important (I will add new bedding this weak).

I have a friend who is thinking of making this type housing with deep litter method, if he makes I will share video or picture with you.

 

[centrarchid]

My belief is there are two reasons for bumble foot in this type of housing, the first is that the birds feet are in continuous contact with waste(which people remedy by cleaning cages 1-2 times a day), and second reason is that the birds are in continuous contact with the hard concrete floor, these both problems can be solved with having bedding/soil on the floor. I used to have bedding(soil) in my cages but had to remove it because I had gotten insect infestation in it, after removing the soil I have started to get a lot of cases of bumble foot in my birds, my personal experience is bedding is very important (I will add new bedding this weak).

I have a friend who is thinking of making this type housing with deep litter method, if he makes I will share video or picture with you.

I would like to see video, but will not touch the deep litter method for birds kept long-term.

How to you trade / exchange Aseels in Pakistan? Are they sold, gifted, inherited?

 

[Danish aseels]

The bumble foot issue is becoming more evident in how it starts with the khuda containment system. It appears not unlike what is used with the deep litter approach. Feet are in continuous contact with most organic matter that is prone to rapid decay. Here people attribute bumble foot to impact forces on the feet coming off a roost that is too high. My chickens jump 1.5 meters onto gravel when penned or fly down from nearly 8 meters to a gravel driveway when roosting in a tree near house without foot health problems.

Problems of the bumble foot sort are after a fight causing mechanical damage to feet when ground is chronically wet and covered in feces / feed waste. Occasionally a not fight related shows during really wet weather. To correct bumble foot, I keep moving birds over fresh and ideally dry ground.

Most people will have some sort of bedding in there cages not always deep litter method.

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These are some of the videos I would recommend you to watch even if you don’t understand Urdu as you can clearly see and understand how the cages are made and kept

 

[centrarchid]

Most people will have some sort of bedding in there cages not always deep litter method.

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These are some of the videos I would recommend you to watch even if you don’t understand Urdu as you can clearly see and understand how the cages are made and kept

I have been picking up some of the words.

The pens I will likely make may be close to 3 m tall so birds can fly up to elevated roost. Pens will be for special American Games I use for work.

 

[Danish aseels]

I have been picking up some of the words.

The pens I will likely make may be close to 3 m tall so birds can fly up to elevated roost. Pens will be for special American Games I use for work.

Please show pictures when you have built