Buying Baytril - Buyer Beware

[tgooberbutt]

I give .15ml to .2ml (once a day for five days) of the 10% liquid for every kilogram, which is about 35.3 ounces or two pounds 3 ounces. If I give it as a shot, I give it subcutaneously in a bolus of fluids as it can cause injection site reactions, but I usually just give it orally without mixing it.

Warning - Cats should never get more than 5mg/kg a day as it can cause blindness!

 

[casportpony]

I weigh them on a kitchen scale then calculate their dose at 15mg to 20mg per 1kg (2.2 pounds). When using the 10% solution that's .15ml to .2ml per 2.2 pounds. If I'm giving it orally I just squirt it into their throat with a 1ml syringe. Baytril is bitter, so I wouldn't try the bread.

This link shows how to give wormer orally:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/745210/how-to-safely-worm-your-peafowl-orally

-Kathy

Edited to fix dosing typo.

 

[tgooberbutt]

I weigh them on a kitchen scale then calculate their dose at .15mg to .2mg per 1kg (2.2 pounds). When using the 10% solution that's .15ml to .2ml per 2.2 pounds. If I'm giving it orally I just squirt it into their throat with a 1ml syringe. Baytril is bitter, so I wouldn't try the bread.

This link shows how to give wormer orally:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/745210/how-to-safely-worm-your-peafowl-orally

-Kathy

Thank you! I ordered the Baytril yesterday, so hopefully it comes in time!

 

[mbbrinegar]

What would be some reasons and/or symptoms you should give baytril to fowl?

 

[casportpony]

What would be some reasons and/or symptoms you should give baytril to fowl?

I would give it if I suspected a *serious* bacterial infection like e.Coli. For example: If I have a chicken hen that I suspect has retained some egg from having a soft-shelled egg break in her, she gets a shot of Baytril for five days. It's a powerful drug and prolonged use can open the door for fungal infections even bacterial infection can take hold after stopping treatment with it, I think.

If I could only have one antibiotic, it would be Baytril.

From:
https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/medicine-chart/baytril-for-birds
Side effects

• Birds' systems may be particularly vulnerable to infections from bacteria that isn't vulnerable to Baytril, or yeast infections after being dosed with Baytril, particularly if Baytril is given for a longer time. To minimize the risk, try to maintain sanitary conditions & to give Baytril for the minimum time needed to be fully effective. You may need to follow up with antibiotic or anti-fungal medicine if problems develop afterward.
• Because it is very powerful, Baytril can kill off significant numbers of "good bacteria" that normally fight harmful organisms in birds' digestive tracts, although it is said to have less of this effect than many other of the powerful antibiotics. To minimize risk:
  • Try to maintain sanitary conditions.
  • Give Baytril for the minimum time needed for sufficient effectiveness.
  • Give birds' probiotics, such as unflavored yogurt, buttermilk, or a probiotic supplement to re-establish good bacteria. You could try feeding probiotics halfway between Baytril dosings to try to fight the growth of bad bacteria during treatment (though the probiotics will be killed off at the next Baytril dosing), &/or give probiotics after finishing all Baytril dosings.
  • You may need to follow up with a different antibiotic if new bacterial problems develop after Baytril treatments.
  • If a fungal condition develops, it may be necessary to give an antifungal such as Nystatin, or you might try Oxine if timed to not conflict too much with probiotics. Raw, unfiltered cider vinegar has anti-fungal properties & may help, as well (but do NOT combine it with Oxine as the acid might hazardously activate Oxine).
• Baytril may have some negative effects on the development of young birds.
• There are conflicting reports about whether Baytril has negative side effects on a chicken's kidneys, the liver or blood.

-Kathy

 

[tgooberbutt]

I would give it if I suspected a *serious* bacterial infection like e.Coli. For example: If I have a chicken hen that I suspect has retained some egg from having a soft-shelled egg break in her, she gets a shot of Baytril for five days. It's a powerful drug and prolonged use can open the door for fungal infections even bacterial infection can take hold after stopping treatment with it, I think.

If I could only have one antibiotic, it would be Baytril.

From:
https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/medicine-chart/baytril-for-birds
Side effects

• Birds' systems may be particularly vulnerable to infections from bacteria that isn't vulnerable to Baytril, or yeast infections after being dosed with Baytril, particularly if Baytril is given for a longer time. To minimize the risk, try to maintain sanitary conditions & to give Baytril for the minimum time needed to be fully effective. You may need to follow up with antibiotic or anti-fungal medicine if problems develop afterward.
• Because it is very powerful, Baytril can kill off significant numbers of "good bacteria" that normally fight harmful organisms in birds' digestive tracts, although it is said to have less of this effect than many other of the powerful antibiotics. To minimize risk:
  • Try to maintain sanitary conditions.
  • Give Baytril for the minimum time needed for sufficient effectiveness.
  • Give birds' probiotics, such as unflavored yogurt, buttermilk, or a probiotic supplement to re-establish good bacteria. You could try feeding probiotics halfway between Baytril dosings to try to fight the growth of bad bacteria during treatment (though the probiotics will be killed off at the next Baytril dosing), &/or give probiotics after finishing all Baytril dosings.
  • You may need to follow up with a different antibiotic if new bacterial problems develop after Baytril treatments.
  • If a fungal condition develops, it may be necessary to give an antifungal such as Nystatin, or you might try Oxine if timed to not conflict too much with probiotics. Raw, unfiltered cider vinegar has anti-fungal properties & may help, as well (but do NOT combine it with Oxine as the acid might hazardously activate Oxine).
• Baytril may have some negative effects on the development of young birds.
• There are conflicting reports about whether Baytril has negative side effects on a chicken's kidneys, the liver or blood.

-Kathy

Thank you so much for the follow up. I'd like to get your thoughts on whether I should use the Baytril once it comes (should be in a couple of days now). My Delaware is still moving and squawking like she normally does, still has a good appetite, and is alert,etc...seems normal....and it's been 3 days since the prolapse went 'back inside' her. Would she still be behaving as she has (pretty normally) if she developed an infection? And if she hasn't developed on yet, do I need to preventatively give her the Baytril once it comes? I just don't want to use an antibiotic if it's not needed (for chickens or otherwise).

Her rear-end, south of the vent area, looks pinkish, but otherwise normal....is that color normal on a Delaware? Or is it a sign of heat/infection/swollenness?

 

[tgooberbutt]

Just found a veterinary link for medication dosages for birds:

http://www.irishwildlifematters.ie/animals/bird-drugs.html

Kathy, your end number were correct, but the beginning 0.15 - 0.20 mg/kg should have been 15-20mg/kg, which gets to 0.15-0.20 ml/kg using the 10% solution.

My delaware seems sluggish, and unhappy, though it's been over a week since the prolapse was push back inside her. Could her sluggish, unhappy behavior be something else, or should I treat her with the baytril to prevent an infection, or is the danger of an infection already over? Thoughts?

 

[casportpony]

Thanks for finding my typo and posting that link! Not sure what I would do if I had a hen like yours.

-Kathy

 

[tgooberbutt]

Thanks for finding my typo and posting that link! Not sure what I would do if I had a hen like yours.

-Kathy

thanks for responding. I'll hold off on the baytril for now and see how she goes....

 

[tgooberbutt]

Just as an update, Angel, my poor Delaware with the prolapse, died early on Thursday morning. I guess she was sicker than she let on, and perhaps I should have given her the antibiotic.

She was only just over 2yrs old, and laid overly huge eggs. I feel so bad.