BYC Genetic/Breed Calculator Huge Task Ahead!

[nicalandia]

Red pyle is tricky for me. Haven't done it before.
But here goes. Turns out it is pretty much what I expected.

Red Pyle

Female

Extension of Black e+/e+
Columbia co+/co+
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany Mh/Mh
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of gold Ig+/Ig+
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white I/I
Blue bl+/bl+
Lav+/Lav+
Recessive white C+/C+
Mottled Mo+/Mo+
Darkbrown db+/db+
Melanotic ml+/ml+
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Barred b+/b+
Silver s+/-
Chocolate Choc+/Choc+


Male


Extension of Black e+/e+
Columbia co+/co+
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany Mh/Mh
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of gold Ig+/Ig+
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white I/I
Blue bl+/bl+
Lavender Lav+/Lav+
Recessive white C+/C+
Mottled Mo+/Mo+
Darkbrown db+/db+
Melanotic ml+/ml+
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Barred b+/b+
Silver s+/s+
Chocolate Choc+/Choc+

Breeding for Red Pyle is really not that easy, Homozygous dominant white will dilute the gold color too much, so red enhancers are found on these lines, also to enrich the color or for shows many Red Pyle breeders outcross to BBR(Black Breasted Reds) this restricts the dilution effect of dominant white, they are not just white gold duck wing, but they are Black Breasted Reds diluted by Dominant white.

A few samples:

Example of a gold duckwing( none red enhanced wildtype, Dutch bantam) diluted by dominant white:



Red Pyle OEGB


BBR OEGB




From Source: "As you may know, the Modern Red Pyle Game Bantam is a "made" variety and, after a number of years of straight Pyle breeding, we find, has a tendency to lose color and fade out to a pale lemon color, instead of red in plumage sections that should be red. Therefore, to correct this condition of fading out when it appears and to deepen the color, we find it necessary to introduce or fuse Modern Black Breasted Red Game Bantam blood into the Red Pyle blood-lines"

Source: http://mgbca.org/wp-content/uploads...e_Bantams__Examples_in_Red_Pyle-J_Baldwin.pdf

 

[BlackHackle]

Red Pyle

Female

Extension of Black e+/e+
Columbia co+/co+
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany Mh/Mh
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of gold Ig+/Ig+
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white I/I
Blue bl+/bl+
Lav+/Lav+
Recessive white C+/C+
Mottled Mo+/Mo+
Darkbrown db+/db+
Melanotic ml+/ml+
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Barred b+/b+
Silver s+/-
Chocolate Choc+/Choc+


Male


Extension of Black e+/e+
Columbia co+/co+
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany Mh/Mh
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of gold Ig+/Ig+
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white I/I
Blue bl+/bl+
Lavender Lav+/Lav+
Recessive white C+/C+
Mottled Mo+/Mo+
Darkbrown db+/db+
Melanotic ml+/ml+
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Barred b+/b+
Silver s+/s+
Chocolate Choc+/Choc+

Breeding for Red Pyle is really not that easy, Homozygous dominant white will dilute the gold color too much, so red enhancers are found on these lines, also to enrich the color or for shows many Red Pyle breeders outcross to BBR(Black Breasted Reds) this restricts the dilution effect of dominant white, they are not just white gold duck wing, but they are Black Breasted Reds diluted by Dominant white.

A few samples:

Example of a gold duckwing( none red enhanced wildtype, Dutch bantam) diluted by dominant white:

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From Source: "As you may know, the Modern Red Pyle Game Bantam is a "made" variety and, after a number of years of straight Pyle breeding, we find, has a tendency to lose color and fade out to a pale lemon color, instead of red in plumage sections that should be red. Therefore, to correct this condition of fading out when it appears and to deepen the color, we find it necessary to introduce or fuse Modern Black Breasted Red Game Bantam blood into the Red Pyle blood-lines"

Source: http://mgbca.org/wp-content/uploads...e_Bantams__Examples_in_Red_Pyle-J_Baldwin.pdf

This is some great info. I was wondering why my Red Pyle Old English Games were showing excessive signs of dilute in their gold and red colors

 

[nicalandia]

BBR is simply gold duckwing, the wild type. Don't need to do it again.

BBR and gold duckwing are often used interchangeably, but most of the time is meant to describe a red enhanced gold duckwing bird, it could be due to multiple of red enhancers(Mahogany, autosomal red, other unknowns) but for sake of simplicity I suggest to use the only red enhancer so far listed on the calculator(Mahogany Mh)

Gold Duckwing Dutch Bantam



BBR OEGM



Dark Brown Leghorn Rooster(eb/eb with multiple red enhancers) the is the most red enhanced duckwing patterned phenotype we can find and while this leghorn is based on eb/eb the duckwing phenotype can be had on all e alleles except on Extended Black(E/E and Birchen(ER/ER)

 

[Amer]

The dilution effect of Splash on gold is very subtle and only certain none red enhanced birds, I would say that it has the greatest effect on the Birchen ER e allele, I would say that homozygous dominant white has more of a dilution effect on gold than Splash(Bl/Bl)


A clear example of the above assessment is the Brown Red OEGB, the Brown Reds are turned into Lemon Blues with the addition of the heterozygous form of Splash(Bl/bl+) and even further diluted by homozygous Splash(Bl/Bl).

a few examples:

Brown Red not red enhanced
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Lemon Blue, diluted by heterozygous Splash(Bl/bl+)
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Splash Lemon Blues(ER/ER s+/s+ Bl/Bl)

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Fascinating. I think that my explanation was still a good genotype though.

 

[nicalandia]

Golden Duckwing

Female

Extension of Black e+/e+
Columbia co+/co+
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany mh+/mh+
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of gold Ig+/Ig+
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white i+/i+
Blue bl+/bl+
Lavender Lav+/Lav+
Recessive white C+/C+
Mottled Mo+/Mo+
Darkbrown db+/db+
Melanotic ml+/ml+
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Barred b+/b+
Silver S/-
Chocolate Choc+/Choc+


Male


Extension of Black e+/e+
Columbia co+/co+
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany mh+/mh+
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of gold Ig+/Ig+
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white i+/i+
Blue bl+/bl+
Lavender Lav+/Lav+
Recessive white C+/C+
Mottled Mo+/Mo+
Darkbrown db+/db+
Melanotic ml+/ml+
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Barred b+/b+
Silver S/s+
Chocolate Choc+/Choc+

In some breeds the Golden Duckwing is an accepted color, for example the Golden Duckwing Old English Game(standard and bantams) the Pullets look identical to Silver Duckwing because they are genetically Silver Duckwing and the Cockerels are heterozygous sex linked Silver(S/s+) and hatch like Silver Duckwing chicks but as they mature their hackle, back and saddle will turn a golden/yellow color, the shoulders are darker and the wing triangle will remain silver in color.

Golden OEGB Rooster

Blue Golden Duckwing OEGB

Chocolate(Dun based I^d/i+) Golden Duckwing Dutch

 

[nicalandia]

Blue Silver Duckwing

Female

Extension of Black e+/e+
Columbia co+/co+
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany mh+/mh+
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of gold Ig+/Ig+
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white i+/i+
Blue Bl/bl+
Lavender Lav+/Lav+
Recessive white C+/C+
Mottled Mo+/Mo+
Darkbrown db+/db+
Melanotic ml+/ml+
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Barred b+/b+
Silver S/-
Chocolate Choc+/Choc+


Male


Extension of Black e+/e+
Columbia co+/co+
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany mh+/mh+
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of gold Ig+/Ig+
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white i+/i+
Blue Bl/bl+
Lavender Lav+/Lav+
Recessive white C+/C+
Mottled Mo+/Mo+
Darkbrown db+/db+
Melanotic ml+/ml+
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Barred b+/b+
Silver S/S
Chocolate Choc+/Choc+


Blue Silver Duckwing Dutch

Blue Silver Duckwing OEGB

 

[nicalandia]

Chocolate and Khaki Silver Duckwing

Female

Extension of Black e+/e+
Columbia co+/co+
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany mh+/mh+
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of gold Ig+/Ig+
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white I^d/I^d(Homozygous Dun for Khaki and Heterozygous for Chocolate)
Blue bl+/bl+
Lavender Lav+/Lav+
Recessive white C+/C+
Mottled Mo+/Mo+
Darkbrown db+/db+
Melanotic ml+/ml+
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Barred b+/b+
Silver S/-
Chocolate Choc+/Choc+


Male


Extension of Black e+/e+
Columbia co+/co+
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany mh+/mh+
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of gold Ig+/Ig+
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white I^d/I^d(Homozygous Dun for Khaki and Heterozygous for Chocolate)
Blue bl+/bl+
Lavender Lav+/Lav+
Recessive white C+/C+
Mottled Mo+/Mo+
Darkbrown db+/db+
Melanotic ml+/ml+
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Barred b+/b+
Silver S/S
Chocolate Choc+/Choc+


Khaki Silver Duckwing Dutch

Khaki Silver Duckwing OEGB

From Right To left(roosters: Silver Duckwing rooster, Chocolate Silver Duckwing cockerels and the four on the left are Khaki Silver Duckwing cokerels) Dutch bantams

 

[nicalandia]

Chocolate/Dun Cream Millefleur

Extension of Black eb/eb
Columbia Co/Co
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany mh+/mh+
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of gold ig/ig
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white I^d/i+
Blue bl+/bl+
Lavender Lav+/Lav+
Recessive white C+/C+
Mottled mo/mo
Darkbrown db+/db+
Melanotic ml+/ml+
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Barred b+/b+
Silver s+/-
Chocolate Choc+/Choc+


Male

Extension of Black eb/eb
Columbia Co/Co
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany mh+/mh+
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of gold ig/ig
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white I^d/i+
Blue bl+/bl+
Lavender Lav+/Lav+
Recessive white C+/C+
Mottled mo/mo
Darkbrown db+/db+
Melanotic ml+/ml+
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Barred b+/b+
Silver s+/s+
Chocolate Choc+/Choc+

So far all of the Dun based Dutch and the following are from my friend Henk69

 

[nicalandia]

Blue Splash Millefleur and an alternative Red Shouldered Yokohama genotype

Female
Extension of Black eb/eb(e+/e+ for RSY)
Columbia Co/Co
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany Mh/Mh
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of gold Ig+/Ig+
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white i+/i+
Blue Bl/Bl
Lavender Lav+/Lav+
Recessive white C+/C+
Mottled mo/mo
Darkbrown db+/db+
Melanotic ml+/ml+(Ml/Ml perhaps on RSY)
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Barred b+/b+
Silver s+/-
Chocolate Choc+/Choc+

Male
Extension of Black eb/eb(e+/e+ for RSY)
Columbia Co/Co
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany Mh/Mh
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of gold Ig+/Ig+
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white i+/i+
Blue Bl/Bl
Lavender Lav+/Lav+
Recessive white C+/C+
Mottled mo/mo
Darkbrown db+/db+
Melanotic ml+/ml+(Ml/Ml perhaps on RSY)
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Barred b+/b+
Silver s+/s+
Chocolate Choc+/Choc+

Brian Reeder believes that the RSY pattern is based on regular spangling with a Splash Like dilution Bl/Bl and some lines may carry recessive mottling instead( Source: https://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGP/Phoen/ReederRedShGenetics.html ) I agree with him on the Splash Dilution effect and that some lines are just Splash Millefleur instead, some lines do have a very defined tear shaped spangle

Spangled based RSY

Splash Millefleur based RSY(from my observations, not confirmed genetically)

Splash Millefleur(Splash Swedish Hen breed)

 

[Cyprus]

Let's take a moment to compile a list of what color genes have already been completed so that we know where we are before we continue.
Comment below what color genes you have completed and what post number they are (link it) and I will edit this post to add them to the list that we can reference from here on out.