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Icelandics - Now that is a bird I know very little about. Is that like the Marans where even the singular has an S? I shall google them. Although I have promised myself and everyone else, no new breeds (for breeding) unless I replace an existing breed. So I'll just have to satisfy my curiosity via research and face the reality - a sad reality - one simply cannot own all the kinds of chickens.
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Here is a great article about Icelandic chickens. (no S unless plural)
http://www.aviculture-europe.nl/nummers/10E06A03.pdf
 
If anyone is curious, I did call the Tulare lab. I left questions for Dr. Chin (who did the necropsies) but have not heard from him. I talked to someone who said she was a lab tech (and, I assume/got the impression, one of his students). She said that if the e.coli was passed from the hens into the eggs and incubated there, the chicks would likely be hatching with very poorly absorbed yolks and obvious infection/mushy chick type symptoms (basically, the infection would already be wreaking havoc before they were even hatched). She said there wasn't a way they could really say were it come from, but one egg that had been contaminated with feces "could very possibly do it".

I'll let you know if Dr. Chin responds, but it sounds like the breeder just had the bad luck of something sneaking into the incubator. Still no losses among the chicks that didn't go right off. The breeder mentioned that incubator did have a few exchange eggs in it, so in my mind they just had the bad fortune to get an improperly washed egg in that batch. The batches with only the breeders' eggs haven't had these problems. They've mentioned going back to a 'quarantine' incubator for outside eggs. It's a little scary, because I know most chicken people tend to think of hatching eggs as the bio-secure route to take. Unfortunately, there is always that slight risk.
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You either take it or never get any fresh blood in your lines.

All things considered, I would buy from this seller again in the future. The evidence from Davis doesn't lead me to believe their flock is unhealthy, and they've been great to deal with during the whole necropsy thing, and the chicks I have left from the batch I am very happy with.
 
After getting totally confused the other day reading about light color and egg quality, I reread the article. Still confusing. But here's the conclusions:

CONCLUSIONS AND APPLICATIONS

Egg weight in the White light was the heaviest, whereas egg weight in the Red light was generally smaller than those in other lights. Therefore, the Red light should be used in producing small size eggs, whereas the White light should be used in producing large size eggs.

The Blue light causes the length and width of the egg to become shorter and changes the shape of the egg. The Blue light causes the egg shape to gradually become round with age. The Red light causes the width of the egg to become shorter and gradually changes the egg shape into a more slender and oval shape with age. The above changes make the increasing tendency for the egg weight in Blue and Red lights to become lower than those in White and Green lights with age.

The Green light has the most profound effect on eggshell quality. Therefore, if producing a quality eggshell is required, then the Green light must be implemented.


It was mentioned several times that previous studies by other authors had different results on some tests, same on others. http://m.japr.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/4/605.full
 
If anyone is curious, I did call the Tulare lab. I left questions for Dr. Chin (who did the necropsies) but have not heard from him. I talked to someone who said she was a lab tech (and, I assume/got the impression, one of his students). She said that if the e.coli was passed from the hens into the eggs and incubated there, the chicks would likely be hatching with very poorly absorbed yolks and obvious infection/mushy chick type symptoms (basically, the infection would already be wreaking havoc before they were even hatched). She said there wasn't a way they could really say were it come from, but one egg that had been contaminated with feces "could very possibly do it".

I'll let you know if Dr. Chin responds, but it sounds like the breeder just had the bad luck of something sneaking into the incubator. Still no losses among the chicks that didn't go right off. The breeder mentioned that incubator did have a few exchange eggs in it, so in my mind they just had the bad fortune to get an improperly washed egg in that batch. The batches with only the breeders' eggs haven't had these problems. They've mentioned going back to a 'quarantine' incubator for outside eggs. It's a little scary, because I know most chicken people tend to think of hatching eggs as the bio-secure route to take. Unfortunately, there is always that slight risk.
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You either take it or never get any fresh blood in your lines.

All things considered, I would buy from this seller again in the future. The evidence from Davis doesn't lead me to believe their flock is unhealthy, and they've been great to deal with during the whole necropsy thing, and the chicks I have left from the batch I am very happy with.
Thanks for the update! It is good to know that breeder was interested in the results and it sounds like they will take some action. We do have to take risks to get new blood and usually that risk pays off, but not always. At least the rest of them seem to be OK and you haven't lost any more.

After getting totally confused the other day reading about light color and egg quality, I reread the article. Still confusing. But here's the conclusions:

CONCLUSIONS AND APPLICATIONS

Egg weight in the White light was the heaviest, whereas egg weight in the Red light was generally smaller than those in other lights. Therefore, the Red light should be used in producing small size eggs, whereas the White light should be used in producing large size eggs.

The Blue light causes the length and width of the egg to become shorter and changes the shape of the egg. The Blue light causes the egg shape to gradually become round with age. The Red light causes the width of the egg to become shorter and gradually changes the egg shape into a more slender and oval shape with age. The above changes make the increasing tendency for the egg weight in Blue and Red lights to become lower than those in White and Green lights with age.

The Green light has the most profound effect on eggshell quality. Therefore, if producing a quality eggshell is required, then the Green light must be implemented.


It was mentioned several times that previous studies by other authors had different results on some tests, same on others. http://m.japr.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/4/605.full
Weo...that is a really interesting!... Maybe I need to get a green rope light for the coop. I wonder if this would halep with my Red Sexlink whe seems to be, once again, having some eggshell issues. She has been doing great all summer, but I have found a couple of broken, thin shelled eggs in the nest boxes the last couple of days.
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Hey y'all. Been on BYC for a bit and have had chickens on and off my whole life but recently got truly addicted. Has anyone crossed EE and Barnevelder? What kind of eggs do their offspring produce?
 
Hey y'all. Been on BYC for a bit and have had chickens on and off my whole life but recently got truly addicted. Has anyone crossed EE and Barnevelder? What kind of eggs do their offspring produce?
If the EE has double blue genes you will get olive colored eggs. IF not, you will get a lot of colors.
 
Quote: Thanks. He's a hatchery roo so I have no idea. He was sold as an Ameraucana but is non-standard so obviously not controlled for anything like egg color genes, much less variety. He has gorgeous self-blue laced red plumage though which is why I want to breed him to my barnie for more blue-red babies!
 
So half of these are thanks to @ronott1 for the beautiful egg basket .these are his OE, some blue are his Arkansas blue and some are CL
The Marans are my older girls. They're still holding color well. Waiting for the new ones to start
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So half of these are thanks to @ronott1 for the beautiful egg basket .these are his OE, some blue are his Arkansas blue and some are CL
The Marans are my older girls. They're still holding color well. Waiting for the new ones to start

That is a beautiful egg basket!

Post the OEs on the OE thread. Many there think you have to use Marans. I do not think anyone has used UofA Blues and Crele Penedesencas before.
 

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