Cap and Trade Bill?? What the heck is it?

[1acrefarm]

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Who are "they," and what evidence do you have to support this claim?

Sounds like conspiracy theory fare to me..

My old employer. Some of the higher ups have told me this. I will not name the company because most of the employees do not know this nor does the corporation want them to know. I will say it is about middle ways in the fortune 500. I also know they have moved machinery and shut down facilities for much less than cap and trade.

 

[GrayDragon]

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I worked for a furniture store a couple years back.

The owner had occasion to purchase a new company refrigerator.

Instead of paying $35 more for the Energy Star model, he bought the non-energy-star rated LG model cause it was 'cheaper'. Showing him that the energy savings would cover the difference in under a couple months just went in one ear, and out the other. It was all about the immediate savings, not any long-term thinking.

He was not a unique individual.

So, want to rethink your statement?

Then your boss was an idiot.

As are many other idiotic bosses out there, including some who work at power companies.

Come on, if there is anything the recent economic fiasco should have taught is it's that CEOs are greedy, scum-sucking bottom dwellers who will sell out their mother for a short term gain and fly away on their golden parachutes.

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And corporations aren't? Why the double standard?

 

[Boyd]

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Then your boss was an idiot.

As are many other idiotic bosses out there, including some who work at power companies.

Come on, if there is anything the recent economic fiasco should have taught is it's that CEOs are greedy, scum-sucking bottom dwellers who will sell out their mother for a short term gain and fly away on their golden parachutes.

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And corporations aren't? Why the double standard?

because the government is supposed to be "Of the people, by the people and for the people" period. Throw out all the lobbyists and special interest groups, get rid of all the soft money that goes into politics, and maybe I'll quit looking for land in central america. I don't give a hoot what the world thinks about what we are doing.... I'd love to see us quit sending foreign aid to poor countries..... because we are basically bankrupt. If a fortune 500 company ran itself like our government has the last year or so, which senator do you think would stand up and say FOR SHAME...............

Sorry, I'll be living in Latin America before too long.

 

[horsejody]

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We are are a capitalist society. We can walk away from corporations by not buying their products. We can't walk away from government. Government is a burden that is getting heavier and heavier. Corporations are in business to make money. The more they are taxed, the more the costs will be passed on to consumers. When government taxes business, they are just increasing the cost of living. Taxes don't punish business. They punish society.

 

[damohomesteaders]

Its a screw job that is gonna cost the taxpayer a ton of money!!

 

[PurpleChicken]

 

[Boyd]

 

[cmjust0]

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Also, if you read foreign newpapers online, you can read the gripes about the failures in programs similar to cap and trade, socialized medicine, etc.

That snippit came straight from the National Center for Policy Analysis, which is a conservative think-tank organization funded by corporations like ExxonMobile and various other conservative old-money philanthropic organizations like Mellon, etc.. Those snips are also given without context..

Luckily for everyone here, I found the article it was based on. Here's another interesting little snippit from the article:

"Like other firms, the utilities were given slightly fewer allowances than they needed. But instead of charging customers for the cost of buying allowances to cover the shortfall, utilities in much of Europe charged customers for 100 percent of the tradable allowances they were given -- even though the government handed them out free. Electricity rates soared."

Wow...isn't that interesting. Can you believe a corporation would hose people like that and shift the blame to the government to make it appear as though the government is actually responsible for rate increases?

I can.

Why? Because utilities don't like cap & trade.. So, if they can raise rates and say "Look what your government did to you!" then people will demand that the whole thing be repealed, thereby giving the utilities what any good corporation wants -- free reign to do whatever they feel like doing.

Now, if you go back up to the very tippy top, you'll see that pretty many of their so-called "points" hinge on the spike in electricity rates and the problems which were created as a result..

Here's a thought...how about we don't allow utilities to do that whenever we implement cap & trade. It's a novel idea, I know, but....actually, I'm pretty sure that would be illegal under US law anyway, as it reeks of price-fixing.

Bottom line...yeah, things don't often work when they're allowed to be sabotaged by narrow private interests working against the interest of the common man.

You totally got me there.

 

[cmjust0]

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Quiz time!

Q: Can you tell me which Senator was out in the forefront, fighting for corporations like ExxonMobile, Goldman Sachs, and others to qualify for constitutional rights as if they were individual citizens, thereby conferring to them the right to "free speech" through GIGANTIC DONATIONS to political candidates?

A: Mitch McConnell, R - Ky, responding to legal challenges to so-called "corporate citizenship."


This is how they're for/by/of the money, Boyd.. This is how corporations have come to wield so much influence in government -- lobbying and donations.

Look closely at which party is fighting tooth and nail to preserve this perverse "tradition."

That's all I'm sayin.

 

[horsejody]

Here's an idea. Why don't people realize that government is just as bad, if not worse, than any corporation. No more taxes please.