Chicken Breed Focus - Ayam Cemani

[Pyxis]

No color leakage in his feathers. Just the little bit of mulberry in the face like 1. 1 does carry his tail pretty low, no side sprigs though. 1 and 4 are significantly bigger than 2 and 3.

Thanks for the help Pyxis!

You're welcome

Must just be the coloring in the picture of 4 then, it makes it look like he has color leakage in these places:

 

[Crow Mountain Chickens]

You're welcome

Must just be the coloring in the picture of 4 then, it makes it look like he has color leakage in these places:

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I think it's the lighting. I'll try for another tomorrow. Still think 2 and 3 are the best representations of the breed?

 

[Pyxis]

I think it's the lighting. I'll try for another tomorrow. Still think 2 and 3 are the best representations of the breed?

Yep His tail carriage is way low, even if he doesn't have leakage.

 

[H.R. Cluck-N-Stuff]

Your guys conversion is very informative, I have to say, sometimes its very hard to start at the beginning and read through a lot of conversations but I can follow along after I have better context, and these few pictures and what's good and not good one these birds side by side has been very educational as a picture by itself you'd think "a black chicken, is a black chicken". But now I'm seeming the point clarifications.

 

[Crow Mountain Chickens]

Your guys conversion is very informative, I have to say, sometimes its very hard to start at the beginning and read through a lot of conversations but I can follow along after I have better context, and these few pictures and what's good and not good one these birds side by side has been very educational as a picture by itself you'd think "a black chicken, is a black chicken". But now I'm seeming the point clarifications.

Raining pretty hard here right now. I'll take some more pictures of number 4 and post. Pyxis is the expert here! But maybe our thread will help someone else. Thanks for the feedback @H.R. Cluck-N-Stuff. That rooster you have is beautiful! Even if he isn't perfect!

 

[FlyWheel]

Silly question but I have to ask....

Has anyone here named their Ayan Cemani "Groot"?

 

[Turkey Girl]

I have 7

 

[Cemani man]

Thank you Sumi !!! Those birds are Beautiful !!!

Because there are many negative comments about these birds, they are aggressive if not properly deal with it, you should watch out for attacks,
that's totally not true !!!

They are more active than other chickens, but also curious what you are doing.
I never had any problem with the Ayam Cemani's!
But if you were going to breed this race, you will need to be aware of the following points.

Alot of breeders are not honestly about the tongues of those birds and often say that they have them
They telling also they are compleet black..... Also when they are chicks ?
But if you reed the story below you will understand it much better.

I hope that alot of people will read this and will open up there eyes .....

We ended up exchanging our opinions and breeding/hatching experience.
Many people who try to breed Ayam Cemani face similar problems at some point.
These could be development of red combs/wattles/face, white skin/toes/toenails/feather, significant difference in size of chicks and mortality rates during and after incubation.
Us, breeders, are all striving for perfection in our birds.
Well, we all have this same problem with Ayam Cemani then. Let me point out what it is.

Firstly, there is a need to point out that pure Ayam Cemani birds don’t always produce 100% black chicks.
In fact, you must be very lucky to find a 100% black chick. During the 17 years of breeding experience the Dutch breeder has only seen 1 pure black chick with black tongue. Another friend of mine who breeds Indonesian line has seen only 2 in his lifetime. So to answer the question if the black tongue exists the answer is, yes it does BUT… do we really want to go this far to end up with a chicken that is all black inside out?
Apparently, an intense pigmentation in embryos can lead to blockage of capillary veins and high mortality. That's why it is important that the pigmentation must be balanced. The line that was almost 100% black resulted in hatching rate dropping to below 10% and it was not caused by the cockerel not doing his job! In such lines many embryonic death, fail to hatch, or very slow development are often found as the organs get clogged with pigment.
On the other hand very late hatchings tended to be the most “off colour”, sometimes even resulting in almost black and white chicks. This is something we both experienced within our lines. Searching for more scientific explanation I did further reading on this problem to confirm what I was suspecting, that imbalance of some amino acids inside an egg can cause such embryonic abnormalities. So again, this is nothing to do with the parent birds not being of good enough standard.
White toes and soles indicate less intensive pigmentation. Once mature these birds will get purple faces. However, don’t confuse purple faces with red faces/combs/wattles! Purple faces happen in Ayam Cemani and obviously they are not desired trait but clear red colour indicates that the line may not be pure and it could have been crossed with another breed in earlier generations.
I feel I cannot argue with someone who has got 17 years of experience breeding Ayam Cemani and previously experienced them in their origin country. Both of us have hatched Ayams directly from Indonesian lines and compared results. We both were quite surprised to see that many similarities!

Hope this was helping out.... if you want to know more, Feel free to ask !!!!

Great report and I can only agree with you
Greetings from canada .
I rescued a couple of roosters 5 years ago and started my breeding cycle . I did my home work and since my work is international I looked at all kinds of original Adams to make sure mine were real
After a very extensive search I did get 5 females and started breeding with the two roosters . Black inside and out was the right coloration . I was dealt a big blow when I lost my top rooster and 4 females to a predator. I saved 12 eggs and hatched 8 chicks . I had one rooster and one female left and 8 small ones . I started again . Acquired new birds on the way and now I am at 4 independed bloodlines with 40 birds .
My challenge started when the roosters turned around 4/5 years old . The comb that was so deep black before became purple
I am blaming it on the cold environment that I have in canada . More blood needs to be pumped through the comb and therefore it changes colour
I maybe wrong but that's why I am here . It changed after 4/5 years that the rooster became a different comb Color
I did see something similar in Indonesia but it was in the mountains . There was a colder climate and the birds changed Color later in live
My birds are not for sale but my breeding lines are flawless
I achive approx 65% hatch ability. No white feet and no white feathers ( so far)
Thanks for reading my post

 

[Cemani man]

Great report and I can only agree with you
Greetings from canada .
I rescued a couple of roosters 5 years ago and started my breeding cycle . I did my home work and since my work is international I looked at all kinds of original Adams to make sure mine were real
After a very extensive search I did get 5 females and started breeding with the two roosters . Black inside and out was the right coloration . I was dealt a big blow when I lost my top rooster and 4 females to a predator. I saved 12 eggs and hatched 8 chicks . I had one rooster and one female left and 8 small ones . I started again . Acquired new birds on the way and now I am at 4 independed bloodlines with 40 birds .
My challenge started when the roosters turned around 4/5 years old . The comb that was so deep black before became purple
I am blaming it on the cold environment that I have in canada . More blood needs to be pumped through the comb and therefore it changes colour
I maybe wrong but that's why I am here . It changed after 4/5 years that the rooster became a different comb Color
I did see something similar in Indonesia but it was in the mountains . There was a colder climate and the birds changed Color later in live
My birds are not for sale but my breeding lines are flawless
I achive approx 65% hatch ability. No white feet and no white feathers ( so far)
Thanks for reading my post

 

[Joyze172]

@Cemani man

I have 4 hatched 6 week old Ayam’s. We can not figure out there sex. Is there an age or a way we can figure out there gender without a blood test?