Cochin Thread!!!

That is really interesting, there hasn't been any new varieties recognized since 1977?!

Keep in mind that the process for variety recognition has changed dramatically since then. In 1977 Blue, Birchen, Brown Red, Columbian and Red Batnams were recognized. While I wouldn't bet my paycheck on it, I don't believe there was a qualifying meet with 25 or 50 birds in each variety, with representation in each class (cock, hen, cockerel, pullet), by 5 breeders etc etc. More likely, this was approved by the Standard Committee based upon what was being shown at the time. I didn't start showing until a couple years after that, but I have no recollection of large classes in any of those classes except Blue. Blue Cochins used to be somewhat more popular. Quality in type is just as good or better today, but the color (lacing without shafting) remains the challenge. There is a better process in place now (IMO), which stipulates the necessary requirements for getting a breed/variety recognized, and the intent behind the process is to ensure the proposed new breed/variety meets the standard to which they are being bred. In the case of Cochins; does proposed variety X, (1) breed true, and (2) does it adequately represent the Breed Standard for Cochin (Large or Bantam respectively). Over the past few years we've seen a increase in new breed/variety recognition (Marans, Call Ducks, Modern Game, Serama etc). The appropriate breed club has gone through the process and organized a qualifying meet, and in most cases had the required number of entries. A couple of the candidates didn't get recognized the first time around, and I feel that's exactly how it should work. If the consistency isn't there, then the breed or variety needs a little more work to get it there, and in the end, their acceptance is validated through a successful qualifying meet. With Cochins, it's rare to see large classes in anything but Black and White. The other varieties just don't have enough breeders working on them. We need more breeders to take on the challenge of Silver Penciled, or Red, or any of the other varieties. New varieties are fine too, but again, finding enough people that will dedicate the years of work needed to achieve recognition is tough.

Craig anticipates that Self-Blue will be the next recognized variety in Bantams. We'll see. I started distributing some breeding stock last fall in hopes that we may be able to pull off a qualifying meet in the 2017-2018 timeframe. Splash Bantams could be done sooner. Anyone breeding quality Blues, will have excellent typed Splash Cochins by default.
 
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It has been a while since we have talked about recognized varieties. Thought I would bring back something I posted last year. The last part is what Gail added to complete the list of recognized varieties. More than a few are quite scarce. The first group of Bantams are recognized by both APA and ABA. The last group only ABA.


This is the list of APA recognized colors as of July 2010.
Hope this helps someone.

Listed by Breed, variety, year recognized, class

Bantams

Cochin Birchen 1977 Feather Legged
Cochin Black 1874 Feather Legged
Cochin Blue 1977 Feather Legged
Cochin Brown Red 1977 Feather Legged
Cochin Buff 1874 Feather Legged
Cochin Columbian 1977 Feather Legged
Cochin Golden Laced 1965 Feather Legged
Cochin Mottled 1965 Feather Legged
Cochin Partridge 1874 Feather Legged
Cochin Red 1977 Feather Legged
Cochin Silver Laced 1965 Feather Legged
Cochin White 1874 Feather Legged

Large fowl

Cochin Barred 1982 Asiatic
Cochin Black 1874 Asiatic
Cochin Blue 1965 Asiatic
Cochin Brown 1965 Asiatic
Cochin Buff 1874 Asiatic
Cochin Golden Laced 1965 Asiatic
Cochin Partridge 1874 Asiatic
Cochin Silver Laced 1965 Asiatic
Cochin White 1874 Asiatic

For Bantams, the ABA also recognizes:
Barred
Black Tailed Red
Buff Columbian
Lemon Blue
Silver Penciled
I"m really glad you posted this. I'm sticking with recognized varieties....no fads for me.
 
I have what looks to be a very nice pair of reds that need a home with someone working on that color or is willing to work with it. I was going to use them in my BLR project but have nice buff columbians instead. If anyone is interested in them please pm me. I would rather see them go to a breeding home than be just a backyard pet
 
Keep in mind that the process for variety recognition has changed dramatically since then. In 1977 Blue, Birchen, Brown Red, Columbian and Red Batnams were recognized. While I wouldn't bet my paycheck on it, I don't believe there was a qualifying meet with 25 or 50 birds in each variety, with representation in each class (cock, hen, cockerel, pullet), by 5 breeders etc etc. More likely, this was approved by the Standard Committee based upon what was being shown at the time. I didn't start showing until a couple years after that, but I have no recollection of large classes in any of those classes except Blue. Blue Cochins used to be somewhat more popular. Quality in type is just as good or better today, but the color (lacing without shafting) remains the challenge. There is a better process in place now (IMO), which stipulates the necessary requirements for getting a breed/variety recognized, and the intent behind the process is to ensure the proposed new breed/variety meets the standard to which they are being bred. In the case of Cochins; does proposed variety X, (1) breed true, and (2) does it adequately represent the Breed Standard for Cochin (Large or Bantam respectively). Over the past few years we've seen a increase in new breed/variety recognition (Marans, Call Ducks, Modern Game, Serama etc). The appropriate breed club has gone through the process and organized a qualifying meet, and in most cases had the required number of entries. A couple of the candidates didn't get recognized the first time around, and I feel that's exactly how it should work. If the consistency isn't there, then the breed or variety needs a little more work to get it there, and in the end, their acceptance is validated through a successful qualifying meet. With Cochins, it's rare to see large classes in anything but Black and White. The other varieties just don't have enough breeders working on them. We need more breeders to take on the challenge of Silver Penciled, or Red, or any of the other varieties. New varieties are fine too, but again, finding enough people that will dedicate the years of work needed to achieve recognition is tough.

Craig anticipates that Self-Blue will be the next recognized variety in Bantams. We'll see. I started distributing some breeding stock last fall in hopes that we may be able to pull off a qualifying meet in the 2017-2018 timeframe. Splash Bantams could be done sooner. Anyone breeding quality Blues, will have excellent typed Splash Cochins by default.

we have the numbers there for a meet but it's just a matter of getting the club to back us and also getting the red tape and fees in on time. There has been a group started on facebook for anyone that would like to help with getting the splash accepted. if it doesn't happen this fall we will definately be looking at 2013 :) if you would like some more info just send me a pm and I'll send you the FB link
 
Cochins International is happy to announce that the Maryland State Poultry Fanciers Association will host our 2012 Eastern National Meet in Frederick, Maryland, November 3rd and 4th, 2012. The show will be held at the Great Frederick Fair Fairgrounds. Coop-in will be available Friday, November 2nd after 4PM. Cochins will be single decked as space permits.
Maryland does require both Pullorum Typhoid and Avian Influenza testing. The AI testing has to be done within 30 days of the show or proof of participation in your state's AI Clean Program can be provided by the exhibitor and the MSPFA will accept that.
Watch for further information and updates regarding the selection of a judge, lodging information, and the cash prizes and awards.

Cochins International is also pleased to announce that the Pacific Poultry Breeders Association will host our 2013 Western National Meet in Stockton, California, January 26th and 27th, 2013. Please watch your Newsletters and the CI website for more information on the Western National.

Mark your calendars now!

www.cochinsint.com

 
These thoughts are only my opinion and not based on any hard information.

I believe that the next Cochin variety that will come up for acceptance will be Bantam Self Blue. I think it will be the first variety that will be organized and meet all the criteria for acceptance. Splash might be close if there is someone who gathers the data and can organize enough people to show their birds. I see no other bantam variety being good enough and having enough fanciers to gain acceptance within the next 10 years.
I know of no large fowl varieties that will come up soon. I would love to see LF Columbians and Mottleds good enough and wide spread enough to gain acceptance.
Craig
I am working on both Self-blue and Mille Fleur. They are two very different projects.
- The Self-blue is an organized process with Blacks added, to improve type, to every even generation - F2, F4, F6 ect. Mr. Tom Roebuck has been so helpful in sharing the process.
- The Mille Fleurs are all over the place; color variations very unpredictable with every generation and type is a lot further behind, sure are pretty though.
 
I finally caught up after not reading the thread for 4 weeks! As always, there was a lot of interesting pictures and conversations to learn from.
I recently got a pair of bantam EEs but already I'm not so impressed with their temperment. My Cochins have spoiled me with their calm personalities.
On ther other hand, I just hatched 3 chicks from my LF Buff pair. Thank you to Bo Garret for helping me with a male for my hen, Peaches. These babies have such feathery feet!
 
Thanks for posting that, Craig! I had actually gone to the Cochin Int site looking for this info and couldn't find it.

I never really realized/thought about it, but the 2 varieties of Cochins that I have aren't even recognized. Although I have a source for quality LF BBS when I have a pen built to put them, and I'm getting some nice mottleds in the fall.

That is really interesting, there hasn't been any new varieties recognized since 1977?!

It will really help us improve the CI website so that it is beneficial to everyone if you will just let me know what we can add, or what we can make easier to find. This is my first website, so I'm totally open to suggestions. Here's the page with the recognized Varieties and photos:

http://www.cochinsint.com/variety-photos.html

~Gail (Cochins International Web Mistress!)
 
Here's our new bantam cochin roo. They are such awesome birds! I can't wait to see his lady set on a clutch of eggs, LOL. I have some in the incubator now. She is laying everyday and gets pretty mad when I take the eggs away, LOL. Don't have a good shot of her yet.





I'm not good at cochin quality. What are his good points and bad points? These are the only pictures I have so far. We liked them so much, I got another pair from the lady, LOL.
 
Having Splash recognized does make sense since they come from the Blue pen.
Only Splash Bantams are seeking recognition? Not Large Fowl?

I guess I did know Mille Fleur wasn't recognized. I also realize they're an "in" color in Cochins right now and that may change in time. I do hope that this variety has enough breeders who will continue to work on quality and conformity and eventual inclusion even after popularity wans. I believe we will.
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I guess I never thought about whether Buff Barred was accepted or not.

Gail, I'm sorry. When I clicked on that link I immediately remembered that page! I must have been having a blonde moment.
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