Columbian silkies?

[DANNY]

I don't see it !

 

[RAREROO]

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Just curious April, but why would you use a lavender?

I am also curious on this too, I asked earlier but it hasnt been answered yet.

 

[Brody's Broodello]

Lavender to Buff is the recipe for Porcelain. But as you know you don't always get the "perfect" Porcelain when breeding that. If the Buff has excessive black feathering when you cross your bird can get that in the next gen. Thus you have a black tailed & winged bird. The lavender is a diluter, giving the bird a "white" color with black feathering. I did not create this, did not try to make columbian silkies, but have bred birds going for Porcelain. As with any cross you get a % of out crops. ie the silver hackled split lavs, you did not try for those, but they came out of your black to lav cross. If you go to the chicken calculator & put in a Buff (they have a black tailed one) to a Lavender bird, it will give the % of what comes out. And one of the possible offspring will be columbian. I have done this on it, so that is "why" I accepted the bird in the photo as Coulmbian (even though he was not perfect colored)and not "black tailed white" as what was stated by someone on here earlier. ok I hope this answers the questions. The bird "Juan" was sort of the house joke, since we bred real Columbian wyandottes and was never used for breeding here. Now he was sent out on a lease and that person bred him, I believe to a Lavender and he passed on his color to his offspring. But that is as much as I can pass on about this color in silkies. There are other threads about it, as well as on the Silkie club site, there was a thread on there before.

 

[rilly10]

Thanks April! I will look for the thread on the ASBC too! I checked there last night but must have missed it! This is great info for me since I am already working on porcelains! Hopefully My "rejects" will end up like your Juan and go into a new pen to help me on my quest for columbian silkies!

Everyone please keep the great info and ideas coming! I find the genetics soooo interesting and love to learn more about them!

 

[TurtleFeathers]

Brody's Broodello :

If you go to the chicken calculator & put in a Buff (they have a black tailed one) to a Lavender bird, it will give the % of what comes out. And one of the possible offspring will be columbian.

I checked the calculator prior to asking, because in my mind, a black tailed buff columbian x lavender would only have produced blacks split to lavender. The calculator confirmed my thinking and gave me nothing but "black unicolor split to lavender" ? And when I calculated the F1's bred together, it gave many varieties, but none were white with black hackles/wings/tail.

If your bird Juan came from a bad buff x lavender, did your lavender also carry a pattern gene, or was it based on something other than extended black? Not trying to pick what you're saying apart - just trying to understand how this cross happened.​

 

[Brody's Broodello]

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I checked the calculator prior to asking, because in my mind, a black tailed buff columbian x lavender would only have produced blacks split to lavender. The calculator confirmed my thinking and gave me nothing but "black unicolor split to lavender" ? And when I calculated the F1's bred together, it gave many varieties, but none were white with black hackles/wings/tail.

If your bird Juan came from a bad buff x lavender, did your lavender also carry a pattern gene, or was it based on something other than extended black? Not trying to pick what you're saying apart - just trying to understand how this cross happened.

Listen, I don't have the bird, haven't for a long time. I don't breed for this color in silkies, don't really have an interest in doing so. I know what the bird was, and what he was out of. I looked it up a few years back, when I had the bird, and it worked out on the calculator then. All I know is the parents were a Lavender Silkie and a Black tailed buff silkie. I have answered all that i can on it. The Lavender could have had Redtailed Hawk in it's family tree for all I know. Unless you have the same line for 20 years you could have anything pop out. Did you ever wonder Why so many people get Partridge or Gray that are split Lavender? May be somewhere on the gene thread Lavender is linked to the "pattern" gene. Don't know all the answers, I'm not one of those genetic knowitalls that all seem to have landed on BYC. All I know is that I breed for the showroom, have hundreds of birds at one time, have seen the same results over and over again, most of which the experts on here disagree with. But guess what! When I walk outside, those impossable outcomes are looking at me. Sorry if this comes off as snippy, but all I tried to do was give some knowledge to a friend who was interested in this color. And since I had some info wanted to pass it on. I should have just pm'd and saved some headaches all around. Lesson learned!

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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No, two cockerels.

 

[RAREROO]

Brody's Broodello :

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I checked the calculator prior to asking, because in my mind, a black tailed buff columbian x lavender would only have produced blacks split to lavender. The calculator confirmed my thinking and gave me nothing but "black unicolor split to lavender" ? And when I calculated the F1's bred together, it gave many varieties, but none were white with black hackles/wings/tail.

If your bird Juan came from a bad buff x lavender, did your lavender also carry a pattern gene, or was it based on something other than extended black? Not trying to pick what you're saying apart - just trying to understand how this cross happened.

Listen, I don't have the bird, haven't for a long time. I don't breed for this color in silkies, don't really have an interest in doing so. I know what the bird was, and what he was out of. I looked it up a few years back, when I had the bird, and it worked out on the calculator then. All I know is the parents were a Lavender Silkie and a Black tailed buff silkie. I have answered all that i can on it. The Lavender could have had Redtailed Hawk in it's family tree for all I know. Unless you have the same line for 20 years you could have anything pop out. Did you ever wonder Why so many people get Partridge or Gray that are split Lavender? May be somewhere on the gene thread Lavender is linked to the "pattern" gene. Don't know all the answers, I'm not one of those genetic knowitalls that all seem to have landed on BYC. All I know is that I breed for the showroom, have hundreds of birds at one time, have seen the same results over and over again, most of which the experts on here disagree with. But guess what! When I walk outside, those impossable outcomes are looking at me. Sorry if this comes off as snippy, but all I tried to do was give some knowledge to a friend who was interested in this color. And since I had some info wanted to pass it on. I should have just pm'd and saved some headaches all around. Lesson learned!​

Hmmm thats interesting. Just for me personally becuase I asked a couple of times, I just wanted to make clear that I was just asking out of curiosity how it happen, not trying to say that you were wrong ya know. It just interests me in tryign to figure out at which point the silver genes transfered over. Do you remember or know which was the mother color and which was the father color in the cross? Like was the Lav the mother or the father ? I have heard that silkies have all kinds of jumbles of genes in them and I dont breed silkies so I wouldnt know what all you can get when you breed hundreds of them like you do. Thanks for sharing your experience !!!

 

[TurtleFeathers]

Brody's Broodello :

Listen, I don't have the bird, haven't for a long time. I don't breed for this color in silkies, don't really have an interest in doing so. I know what the bird was, and what he was out of. I looked it up a few years back, when I had the bird, and it worked out on the calculator then. All I know is the parents were a Lavender Silkie and a Black tailed buff silkie. I have answered all that i can on it. The Lavender could have had Redtailed Hawk in it's family tree for all I know. Unless you have the same line for 20 years you could have anything pop out. Did you ever wonder Why so many people get Partridge or Gray that are split Lavender? May be somewhere on the gene thread Lavender is linked to the "pattern" gene. Don't know all the answers, I'm not one of those genetic knowitalls that all seem to have landed on BYC. All I know is that I breed for the showroom, have hundreds of birds at one time, have seen the same results over and over again, most of which the experts on here disagree with. But guess what! When I walk outside, those impossable outcomes are looking at me. Sorry if this comes off as snippy, but all I tried to do was give some knowledge to a friend who was interested in this color. And since I had some info wanted to pass it on. I should have just pm'd and saved some headaches all around. Lesson learned!

Sorry to have bothered you.​

 

[Chris09]

I don't know if the works in Silkies but in order to, "make" Porcelain in non-silked feathers you need to use the Mile Fleur pattern and Lavender.

-- Mile Fleur --
e wh -- wheaten down color. Wheaten/whitish colored female. Male Red/Silver hackle and saddle, with a black breast.

s -- sex link gold, we want a red bird, not a white/silver one. Now we have a Gold Wheaten instead of a Silver Wheaten.

Co -- columbian Removes the black from the breast of the male. Now we have a Buff Columbian. Makes males and females the same color.

mo -- mottled. recessive 2 genes required. This adds the black bar and white dot. to the end of the feather. Now we have a Mille Fleur!!!

Take Mile Fleur and if you add lav you will have a Porcelain. (I think Lavender is added in 2 doses (it's recessive)

Chris