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Alright, ralphie, I'm a full member now. I joined the club officially instead of hanging on the periphery like a suckerfish. Now I guess I will have to update my website, since this year I'm finally back in the legbar business. This fresh batch is laying well so we will see how well they hatch in about 23 days when I set on Friday.
Darn it, I need to read through the old meetings now, I'm sure, and I'm not part of the APA currently since I don't show hardly... But you never know!
 
Bantambird said:
...Is there much difference between gold legbars and golden crele leghorns? They look nearly identical, perhaps the legbars being slightly bigger...
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The Gold Legbar was the first autosexing chicken to be created by the Cambridge Breeding program after they accidentally discovered autosexing when they were superimposing autosomal barring (from the pattern gene) with sex-linked barring (from the barred rock) into a single specimen in the cambar project. It is just an autosexing production breed. Other research stations crossed Plymouthrocks with Leghorns for production layers. I read a good read from a research station in Organon State that produced the first trap nest verified 300 eggs in the first year of laying hen. She was out of a Plumoth Rock White Leghorn project. So...Gold Legbars are just production birds with autosexing.

The Golden Crele Legbar is miss-named. When the Cream Legbars were imported to the USA and breeders here discovered that most of our Cream Legbars didn't meet the Cream Standard and didn't even have cream plumage many working with the breed tried to rid the Gold colored birds from their flocks and were focused on producing 100% cream flocks. Some decided that they didn't care what color their birds were as long and they were an easy to keep and produced blue eggs. They continued to sell their stock as Cream Legbars but their lack of attention to breed standard quickly resulted in two very different types of Cream Legbars in the US. In discussing what to call these gold-colored Cream Legbar the APA advised that Golden was already a color defined by the APA as a split between Gold and Silver. So we were told we couldn't use the name Golden. We were told that the term Crele was what APA called the wild type color pattern with barring over it. So Crele started to catch on. The person who wrote the Golden Crele standard didn't get the feedback on the term Golden and was trying to indicated that the Gold Legbar was not quite the same as a Gold Crele color seen in other APA breeds. So we have had a proposed "Golden Crele" standard for a few years now that will likely have to be changed for APA to consider it for acceptance into APA. The Gold Legbar is a White Egg laying production bird and the Golden Crele is a gold-colored Blue Egg laying Crested Legbar. The color is the same for the Gold Legbar and the Golden Crele Legbar but the later is crested and lays blue eggs.
 
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GaryDean26 said:
The Gold Legbar was the first autosexing chicken to be created by the Cambridge Breeding program after they accidentally discovered autosexing when they were superimposing autosomal barring (from the pattern gene) with sex-linked barring (from the barred rock) into a single specimen in the cambar project. It is just an autosexing production breed. Other research stations crossed Plymouthrocks with Leghorns for production layers. I read a good read from a research station in Organon State that produced the first trap nest verified 300 eggs in the first year of laying hen. She was out of a Plumoth Rock White Leghorn project. So...Gold Legbars are just production birds with autosexing.

The Golden Crele Legbar is miss-named. When the Cream Legbars were imported to the USA and breeders her discovered that most of our Cream Legbars didn't meet the Cream Standard and didn't even have cream plumage many working with the breed tried to rid the Gold colored birds from their flocks and were focused on producing 100% cream flocks. Some decided that they didn't care what color their birds were as long and then were and easy to keep and produced blue eggs. They continued to sell their stock as Cream Legbars but their lack of attention to breed standard quickly resulted in two very different types of Cream Legbars in us in discussing what to call these gold-colored Cream Legbar the APA advised that Golden was already a color defined as the APA as a split between Gold and Silver. So we were told we couldn't use the name Golden. We were told that the term Crele was what APA called the wild type color pattern with barring over it. So Crele started to catch on. The person who wrote the Golden Crele standard didn't get the feedback on the term Golden and was trying to indicated that the Gold Legbar was not quite the same as a Gold Crele color seen in other APA breeds. So we have had a proposed golden Crele standard for a few years now that will likely have to be changed before APA would accept in into APA. The Gold Legbar is a White Egg laying production bird and the Golden Crele is a gold-colored Blue Egg laying Crested Cream Legbar.
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So the proper name would be gold crele, not golden, I'm pretty sure, but there are gold crele leghorns. I'm just surmising that gold legbars and gold crele leghorns look identical since they share a number of parent birds and the same color. Indeed, my flock has both gold crele and some cream. I don't hide it when people come to purchase birds, however, that both cream and gold crele is present in my flock. I would not want to be accused of anything. Most folks here, however, are only interested in basic egg laying chickens and give me wierd looks when I mention such things, lol.
 
First babies of the year! Not fully fluffed but one is definitely a girl! Hatching with marans, easy to tell apart by size, color.
 

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Bantambird said:
I have a strange phenomenon going on in my flock: lots of pullets are hatching and hardly any males! I'm ok with the trend as long as I at least get a few nice males... So far one male and 7 female!
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Don't jinx it! :D

I'm about to set a batch, with some call duck eggs. I'm also going to set a few eggs from 3 of my CL girls that run around with a CL rooster AND a splash bantam cochin rooster. The CL guy tries to keep the cochin off the girls, but I've seen them be successful. I just have to see the cross! :lol:
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