Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

[sumi]

OK you guys can tell me I am in the wrong place if you need to. Won't hurt my feelings at all. But I would like to show you a pic of the air sac line for the eggs I have coming up. I know you say it is a crap shoot but yesh they look huge on these tiny eggs this lady sent me. Also I just candled them, I was about to do lockdown tonight (day 17, today) because I am busy tomorrow. I saw an internal pip or one fighting the membrane, should I go ahead and go into lockdown? I think I am going to hate this staggered hatch. You guys might too. Should I move over to a hatch a long, seriously tell me if I should?

Don't be silly!

Post your pic so we can have a look. Though I'm not promising anything. I'm on the home stretch with my assisted hatch (duckling), so I'm more out than in tonight.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

That reminded me! I have cooked our turks in brown paper bags since the late 1900's (

love using that)

Anyone else? I cooked every family meal since I was 20 years old, not saying how old now! but I baked a lot of them stinkers....
best tasting always "chooooooossey" as my popop would say in PA dutch!!


here is the same recipe I use

Ingredients

• • 1 (18 -20 lb) whole turkey
  • 2 stalks celery ( roughly chopped)
  • 1 carrots ( roughly chopped)
  • 1 onions ( cut into quarters)
  • 3 -4 crushed garlic cloves
  • olive oil

Directions

1. Take everything out of the turkey. There will be a giblet bag and some other stuff.
2. Next add vegetables to the inside of the turkey. You dont even have to peel anything. This is easy because the veggies are just for flavor -- you are going to throw them away later.
3. Take the onion and cut it into quarters.
4. Chop a nice long carrot.
5. Do the same with a couple stalks of celery.
6. Add several cloves of garlic that you mash between a broad kitchen knife and the kitchen counter.
7. Throw it all inside the turkey.
8. Then rub the turkey all over with olive oil -- not butter because butter usually has salt in it and salt is the enemy of a moist turkey. Make sure the whole bird is covered in olive oil.
9. Put the turkey in a roasting pan and cover it with a large brown paper bag.
10. Staple shut. If you have a huge turkey use two paper bags at each end. It wont stick to the bird because of the olive oil.
11. Sprinkle the bag all over with water.
12. Place into pre-heated 375 F oven. ON THE MIDDLE RACK.
13. The bag won’t burn because paper burns at 451 and we're at 375 degrees.

1. The advantage of the brown paper bag over the Reynolds cooking bag is that the paper breathes so the turkey ROASTS. In the Reynolds bag the turkey STEAMS, giving it a different taste.
   
2. Roast for 13-15 minutes per pound.
3. When you think it's ready, shove a meat thermometer through the bag and into the turkey and give it a minute to register. Make sure it doesn’t touch the bone.
4. The thermometer should register between 163-170 degrees.
5. Remove from oven, cut away the bag and remove the basting pan.
6. Do not throw out the drippings!
7. To make the gravy, strain the pan juices into a really big pot. Any juices that accumulate on the turkey platter get poured into the pot.
8. Add six oz. of boiling chicken broth and 1/8 cup of corn starch to the gravy to thicken it up. Cook on low heat and stir and cook and stir.
9. If it seems it isnt going to be thick enough, add a little more corn starch.
10. What about the talk that brown paper bags are unsafe for cooking?.
11. If you mean unsafe because of fire, it is important that the bag doesnt make contact with the heating element of the oven. If you mean because of the recycled paper bag releasing toxins into the turkey, all we can say is that this recipe has been around for over 30 years. Over 10 years and never had a single complaint that anyone got sick. We've had hundreds of emails that this is the best turkey they've ever tasted and the perfect recipe for first time chefs!

 

[Sally Sunshine]

OK I think I narrowed it down...... I wonder if toms taste dif than hens?

Bourbon Reds

Bourbon Red turkeys are noted for - yes, you guessed it - their beautiful red plumage. The "Bourbon" comes from their origin in Bourbon County, Kentucky, where they were first bred in the 1800s. They're also known for a delicious, full flavor and are considered one of the best-tasting heritage turkey breeds. Bourbon toms can get to 23 pounds and hens can reach 12 pounds.


Narragansett

Originally from Rhode Island (as you might surmise from the name), Narragansetts were the staple of the New England turkey scene before factory-farmed turkeys became the norm. Typical sizes are 18 pounds for hens and 30 pounds for toms.

 

[Roxannemc]

I think if you think in nature the chickens roll the eggs..must be established as the best way for a million years and those eggs hatched each generationWe are trying to recreate how thr hens hatch their babies successfully and it aint easy is it? just seems like it...so if henny penny didnt do it maybe it isbnt the best way.like now theyve found a cool off period like hen does when she gets off to eat gives a 3% better hatch

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Gotcha. I have too much work to get done before class tonight so I won't be researching it until tomorrow. 

Wouldn't it take a lot of force to break the chalazae? I just don't see any difference between rolling the eggs and flipping the eggs since the eggs would end up in the same position either way..
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I see what your saying but Im thinking it might not even BE the chalasea itself as they do seem strong but the membrane the chalasea adhers to ripping with the full pressure of the yolk hanging for a second not shared by both ends The chlasea seems strong yes but the membrane is fairly thin and full of veining
Maybe why among other things so many shipped eggs have problems hatching as USPS flips and rolls these boxes from one conveyor to another and even change the air cell position..

Back to evolution if it was ok to roll any side why is the egg oval and only able to roll one way and not round and able to roll all ways ?
Nature thinks its the best idea so its the only way a hen can roll one 99% of the time

If you do this flip how are your hatches? Maybe it can be a project to see what % you hatch one way and the other.
Im doing the same on setting eggs standing up versus laying..Standing has advantages but some negatives too. but i am just in the early stages of the study

 

[Sally Sunshine]

I think if you think in nature the chickens roll the eggs..must be established as the best way for a million years and those eggs hatched each generationWe are trying to recreate how thr hens hatch their babies successfully and it aint easy is it? just seems like it...so if henny penny didnt do it maybe it isbnt the best way.like now theyve found a cool off period like hen does when she gets off to eat gives a 3% better hatch
Quote: very true! you know I was out with black betty and I still cant figure her out! I don't think she is rough with the eggs at all. she takes the most careful steps getting on and off her eggs, if it took me that long to sit I would have huge leg muscles! and then watching her roll them is pretty cool, tiny gentle dips of her beak and she rolls them one by one! I should video tape her as I sit watching! its so dark in her nest though don't know if it could be seen with vid.

 

[MommaBee]

I think if you think in nature the chickens roll the eggs..must be established as the best way for a million years and those eggs hatched each generationWe are trying to recreate how thr hens hatch their babies successfully and it aint easy is it? just seems like it...so if henny penny didnt do it maybe it isbnt the best way.like now theyve found a cool off period like hen does when she gets off to eat gives a 3% better hatch

Now a cool off period! That is interesting and makes total sense and makes me feel so much better about how long it takes for me to move the turner out and go into lockdown. As soo as I read Sally said internal pip means lockdown I went into crazy chicken lady mode and dropped everything I was doing. OK I snapped a few pics, let me see if I can get them up from my phone.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Quote: LOL you write so well, I can so envision you! he he he

E V E R Y T H I N G stops for PIP!

yup even brinsea has added a cooling feature on its new models!

 

[MommaBee]

 

[MommaBee]

I got frustrated because the phone kept messing up my pics when I would try to add a description haha. So...

Pic #1- clearly I can not draw a straight line to save my life in the dark
Pic #2- can we say crazy saddle cell
Pic#3- this is how I have my staggard hatch set up for lockdown... suggestions?
Pic #4- this is the size of the egg. Pic does not do it justice at all. It is TINY compared to that giant Marans egg.

 

[Sparkypatriot15]

Halo is gone, I am fine we weren't that close, he has always been a weird one, only wanting food from me, he didn't like restraint in holding.
DH put him out of his misery before I even got awake this morning. I knew it should have been done last night, but I couldn't do it and DH was already in bed.
Thank God for DH! I have turned into the most mushy hearted nitwit ever,
thank goodness I don't have a macadam drive anymore that I will need to jump over the worms after a good rain!

I'm so sorry mrs Sally