Difference between Heritage and Standard

[Chris09]

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What do you mean it has nothing to do with heritage breeds? It is their PRIORITY Conservation list of heritage breeds, as it says on the page the list is on.... "ALBC Conservation Priority Heritage Chicken Breeds."
http://www.albc-usa.org/heritagechicken/cpl_chickenbreeds.html.

My point being, Delawares are on their list of heritage breeds.

The ALBC needs to read there own definitions of a "Heritage Breed".

Going by the ALBC definitions of a "Heritage Breed" it states;
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The breeds, Russian Orloff, Iowa Blue, Manx Rumpy (aka Persian Rumpless) and Nankin are not in the APA SoP Standard so by the ALBC's own definitions of a "Heritage Breed" they are not a "Heritage Breed".

I understand your point.

I also believe that the ALBC's definitions of a "Heritage Breed" has a lot of holes in it and needs to have some improvements done on it.


Chris

 

[catdaddyfro]

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Standard bred chickens are breeds of chickens included in the APA's Standard of Perfection.

Heritage chickens are traditional breeds of chickens many of which are in the Standard of Perfection. Actually, the word 'heritage' is way, way over-rated. For example, you'll hear folks refer to Delawares as a Heritage Breed: what a joke. Delawares are great chickens, but they were created in 1940! Heritage is defined by different folks in different ways.

When I think of the word 'heritage' I think of pioneers and farm families. I also think of Persian, Arabian, Indian and Phoenican cockfighting merchants.

Nope no joke here, I consider them (Delawares) to be a heritage breed from American heritage/ traditional breed stock which are in the SOP, as (underlined) in your quote.
Rhode Island Reds are considered heritage stock (forefather to the New Hampshire(which I too consider heritage stock) as are Barred Plymouth Rocks(which in MY "opinion" are the first real American heritage breed, bred here on American soil). Both which are the parent/heritage breeds that were used in developing the Delaware breed.

I think you are still trying to date heritage?IDK, well try this, how far back does your heritage go?

probly like mine and most people alive/or dead, quite a'ways back. There are new heirs born every second as a matter of fact I think the word "heritage" used to describe breeds of anything is a joke and blown out of proportion or its becoming that, might I say. Its mostly used as a sales- gimmic/fad for marketing to get the most money one can out of a product, which happens to be chickens here on this thread.

Here ya go, catdaddy's definition of "heritage" straight from Webster's: one who receives or is entitled to receive some endowment or quality from a parent or predecessor.

That's easy enough to understand in plain old black and white English and no fancy big words.

Oh btw, my Mom was born in the 40's and I consider myself an heir of hers..... no joke!

Jeff

 

[gjensen]

Could part of the confusion surrounding the term "Heritage" be that the ALBC's intent is that it be used primarily to market poultry products. For example poultry meat and eggs. When I read it and look at the brochures I see it as a promotion of an alternative poultry product (giving the parent stock superior status compared to the commercial hybrids). In that sense it seams more appropriate and closer to what it was meant to do. I do not believe that it applies equally well to the breeder or general poultry enthusiast. Alternatively, if you were selling meat and eggs the term would be great for differentiating your product from the guy next to you. In that sense you have a tool for promoting the use of pure breed farm fowl over the commercial alternative. Maybe that is why the wording of the definition is so open ended. To that end you wouldn't want to be exclusive.

 

[Pyncheon guy]

So then what I'm reading....any breed of bantam is or never will be considered a "Heritage" breed? No matter what it's history in this country.....?

 

[Chris09]

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There is one of the holes I was referring to.

In my eyes the ALBC needs to do allot of work on there definition of "heritage".

Chris

 

[gjensen]

They put an emphasis (and the point was) on poultry products and the birds that produced them. They included the term to include poultry in general. That is where the disconnect is. If the term is so important to us, there is where the work needs to be done. If I was a producer of poultry products I would find the label quite useful. The idea and intent is to put these breeds back to work. It is a rather noble goal. I am inline with the thinking. When you read through what they considered qualifications that discerned whether or not they were heritage birds it appears to me they were preventing any old bird that produced the products to carry the label. The term is especially for a literal label to be put on a package. They reffered to the SOP as a standard that defined the breed itself as a qualification of the bird that produced it. The breeds need no more defining other than what the SOP has.
Since I am not a producer of poultry products, I could not care less whether or not the breeds I keep are considered "Heritage" or not. I believe their merits stand on their own. I do not believe there is a need for a label other than the breed name. Some of us act as it is important that our birds have the label, and others use it to describe run of the mill birds to imply that they are more than what they are. Either my birds are good examples of their breed or not. They stand on their own. Why do they need a label? I don't think there is anything to work on by the ALBC or APA. Labels are for products. Anything in addition to the effort, in my opinion, would be a silly waste of time.

 

[saladin]

The whole thread emphasizes my point from the beginning: the word heritage is way, way over-rated.

 

[saladin]

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Standard bred chickens are breeds of chickens included in the APA's Standard of Perfection.

Heritage chickens are traditional breeds of chickens many of which are in the Standard of Perfection. Actually, the word 'heritage' is way, way over-rated. For example, you'll hear folks refer to Delawares as a Heritage Breed: what a joke. Delawares are great chickens, but they were created in 1940! Heritage is defined by different folks in different ways.

When I think of the word 'heritage' I think of pioneers and farm families. I also think of Persian, Arabian, Indian and Phoenican cockfighting merchants.

Nope no joke here, I consider them (Delawares) to be a heritage breed from American heritage/ traditional breed stock which are in the SOP, as (underlined) in your quote.
Rhode Island Reds are considered heritage stock (forefather to the New Hampshire(which I too consider heritage stock) as are Barred Plymouth Rocks(which in MY "opinion" are the first real American heritage breed, bred here on American soil). Both which are the parent/heritage breeds that were used in developing the Delaware breed.

I think you are still trying to date heritage?IDK, well try this, how far back does your heritage go?

probly like mine and most people alive/or dead, quite a'ways back. There are new heirs born every second as a matter of fact I think the word "heritage" used to describe breeds of anything is a joke and blown out of proportion or its becoming that, might I say. Its mostly used as a sales- gimmic/fad for marketing to get the most money one can out of a product, which happens to be chickens here on this thread.

Here ya go, catdaddy's definition of "heritage" straight from Webster's: one who receives or is entitled to receive some endowment or quality from a parent or predecessor.

That's easy enough to understand in plain old black and white English and no fancy big words.

Oh btw, my Mom was born in the 40's and I consider myself an heir of hers..... no joke!

Jeff

Your definition of 'heritage' is meaningless. It makes everything and anything 'heritage.' You are EXACTLY RIGHT; I am trying to DATE fowl. I believe in historical research, documentation, and honesty.

I believe you will find many who when hearing the word 'heritage' think of something 'old.' I know I do. 1940 ain't old by any stretch of the imagination.

If you didn't like my statement concerning Delawares; so be it. They are a great chickens though I don't own any. I just don't think of them as a so called 'heritage' breed regardless of who writes the definition as kathy stated there will always be those of us that stubbornly disagree.

I'm not that much later than your mom and I think it's a real kicker...

 

[catdaddyfro]

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Nope no joke here, I consider them (Delawares) to be a heritage breed from American heritage/ traditional breed stock which are in the SOP, as (underlined) in your quote.
Rhode Island Reds are considered heritage stock (forefather to the New Hampshire(which I too consider heritage stock) as are Barred Plymouth Rocks(which in MY "opinion" are the first real American heritage breed, bred here on American soil). Both which are the parent/heritage breeds that were used in developing the Delaware breed.

I think you are still trying to date heritage?IDK, well try this, how far back does your heritage go?

probly like mine and most people alive/or dead, quite a'ways back. There are new heirs born every second as a matter of fact I think the word "heritage" used to describe breeds of anything is a joke and blown out of proportion or its becoming that, might I say. Its mostly used as a sales- gimmic/fad for marketing to get the most money one can out of a product, which happens to be chickens here on this thread.

Here ya go, catdaddy's definition of "heritage" straight from Webster's: one who receives or is entitled to receive some endowment or quality from a parent or predecessor.

That's easy enough to understand in plain old black and white English and no fancy big words.

Oh btw, my Mom was born in the 40's and I consider myself an heir of hers..... no joke!

Jeff

Your definition of 'heritage' is meaningless. It makes everything and anything 'heritage.' You are EXACTLY RIGHT; I am trying to DATE fowl. I believe in historical research, documentation, and honesty.

I believe you will find many who when hearing the word 'heritage' think of something 'old.' I know I do. 1940 ain't old by any stretch of the imagination.

If you didn't like my statement concerning Delawares; so be it. They are a great chickens though I don't own any. I just don't think of them as a so called 'heritage' breed regardless of who writes the definition as kathy stated there will always be those of us that stubbornly disagree.

I'm not that much later than your mom and I think it's a real kicker...

nevermind

 

[ajlynco]

OK, so I'll ask again...is there a significant difference between the Standard and the Heritage in regards to meat production?