Difference between Heritage and Standard

[[[[........OK, so I'll ask again...is there a significant difference between the Standard and the Heritage in regards to meat production?........]]]]]

I think you are asking for the information you want in the wrong way.

If you buy Rhode Island reds (good choice, by the way), it doesn't matter where you get the Rhode Island Reds, they are all going to be heritage birds. It is a heritage breed, so every one of them is a heritage bird.

"Standard" to me, would imply that the bird meets the Standard of perfection, and those will only come from a serious show breeder.

Rhode Island Reds of the far past were very extremely different from any Rhode Island Red that you can buy from a hatchery. But they are all "heritage".

If you don't intend to show, my suggestion would be to buy sexed pullets from a hatchery and then go and find a really nice rooster from a show breeder who agrees with your goals on what a chicken should be. Pick a rooster who is big, nice natured, and has large breast muscles.

Your production hens (from the hatchery) should lay lots of eggs and the chicks you hatch, sired by the large top quality rooster, should be good meat birds.

Now, what I would do, if I wanted chicken eggs and chicken meat, would be to buy a super high producing breed of laying hen and then buy Cornish Cross chicks in teh spring to raise to eat. You won't find one breed that does a good job on both meat and eggs, so I'd keep 2 breeds.

Since I don't keep chickens, I actually have birds that do a super job on both meat and eggs, with excellent feed conversion and great temperaments. But like I said, they aren't chickens.
 
i was thinking of posting some thoughts as a sort of reply to the question, but since this area is a fuzzy pandora's box, i will not do so.

suffice it to say that there may be a real touch of unrealism in the definition of 'heritage' by the ALBC. if anyone reflects carefully on the parameters, one can detect some pretty wild cases which makes it really hard and awkward for a bird to fit.

there are other cases where a bird once having been 'heritage' according to the albc definition, can cease to be a heritage chicken even while it is still alive.

i had some thoughts a while ago about raising the 'unrealisms' contained in the definition with the albc, but i don't really have that much of an interest. if they want to create their own definition and parameters, that is their right, and those who subscribe to these things have a right to do so................

but it is my assertion that the albc heritage definition has some pretty unrealistic parameters. One breeder of heritage chickens even protested loudly AGAINST what i said one time--and i was quoting DIRECTLY the albc parameters!!!!! And this was a 'heritage' supporter not a 'hatchery junkie'!!!

I bet if he had known i was basing my statement upon the 'hallowed albc definition' he would have been much more...........let us say, 'reverent' to me!!!!



i guess i've ended up saying something after all.........
 
Oh my gosh, there are folks that actually agree with me on that definition. Y'all might need to start watching the company you keep.
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It is contradictory. I know the Orloff was formerly accepted. Were the others? Maybe that's the disconnect.

There was never a Orloff or a Russian Orloff in the APA Standard of Perfection. The breed that you are referring to was the Russian and if I remember correctly there is/ was a difference two most common being Comb and Size.


Chris

Nope, we've been arguing about this for over a year now.
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Same birds.
 
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"Heritage" birds should BE Standard, all heritage birds should be bred to the standard in order to maintain the characteristics of their breed and heritage.

Ergo— (very simplistically)

All Heritage birds are Standard bred but not all Standard-bred birds are of Heritage breeds. (I think Ameraucanas are about the only breed someone isn't calling Heritage...)

Production bred birds from a hatchery will generally be something completely different, a Production bred BR or RIR really isn't either standard or heritage, IMO.

For your purposes, start off with hatchery stock and familiarize yourself with the breed and learn and enjoy the eggs and research and contact breeders and ask lots of questions and then when you move, get some good stock that is bred to the standard that comes from lines that suit your purpose.
 
I have been raising the Pyncheon Bantam breed for about 16 years now and have been showing and raising exhibition poultry since 1967....... I'm no expert...but I've always considered this breed a "heritage breed"....it IS a Bantam and it's NOT recognized by the APA...(only the ABA) nor is it listed by the ALBC......the breed dates back 300 years ago in this country and is mentioned in Hawthorne's..."House of the Seven Gables"..... the breed was kept in areas where larger fowl could not be kept......a very productive layer...smaller eggs....but productive none the less. I guess I don't understand why a breed need be recognized by the APA ...or(ALBC) and has to be a Large Fowl breed to be a "Heritage" breed? The history of this breed is one of the MAIN reasons I'm breeding them and keeping THEIR heritage going. I guess I'm wondering....who made up the rules?
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The ALBC did. The trouble began when other folks stated adopting it like it was chicken gospel and that those of us who would dare question it were chicken heretics. Doesn't matter how long we've been doing it brother or how well documented our breeds are. If we don't agree with that definition then we are just simply wrong.
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I understand now....thanks! I know most of the history of my breed and I guess that's what matters..... I'll keep plugging along with the Pyncheons even if they don't have a "heritage" title"....or are on some organization's list. I also raise a larger flock of Scottish Blackface sheep.....800 yr. old breed....I wonder if they're on a list? Thanks for the info.....
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We raised sheep back in Tennessee when I was a kid. We ran 200 ewes, 50-60 sows and around 100 cows (cow-calf operation). I miss the sheep.
 
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The ALBC did. The trouble began when other folks stated adopting it like it was chicken gospel and that those of us who would dare question it were chicken heretics. Doesn't matter how long we've been doing it brother or how well documented our breeds are. If we don't agree with that definition then we are just simply wrong.
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I don't think you are wrong at all. As a matter of fact, I would love to see your list (or one similar) adopted or accepted or ....... whatever. I don't like ALBC's list or definition either. I would like to see the APA make a statement or commitment to this very subject. On the other hand, who cares?! Heritage, standard, antique, ancient, old, modern....... does it matter? Just another topic of contention.

All men seem agreed what is to be done; the contention is how the subject is to be divided and defined. ~Bagehot, 1913
 

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