Dog Suggestions

I have 2 australian shepherds. I let them out the first time and they took off to herd. I called them off 1 time and they have never went to herd them again. They can be left outside with the chickens while they free range with no problems. They actually have tried to lick the hens on top of the head. Besides, it doesnt hurt to have a dog that is smarter than you friends honors student. LOL. 2nd smartest dog in the world. Awesome dogs, I have had them my whole life, great with kids and very leary of strangers.
 
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I have a great mutt, a min-pin and a chi-ha-ha. My great mutt is wonderful, my min-pin learned an excrutiating lesson from chicken dancing with the white (now known as) rooster and the chi-ha-ha's thinking is leave me alone and I won't even look at you! I live in the city, so not much to worry about yet.
 
Would an underground fence work? The kind with the zap collar? We have half the yard fenced(not the side with the chickens) and putting a regular fence around the whole yard isn't really an option. I guess it would depend on the dog mostly. It didn't work for our Akita. She took the charge to leave the yard, and took it again to come back in!!
How are they with kids? Will they interact with them much? My youngest is almost 10, and they would love to have a dog that would play with them. Sadie needs to be near them to keep an eye on them, but isn't big on "toss the ball" type stuff. I also have lots of nieces and nephews who are babies and up.
Would I just leave them outside in a dog house, or the coop to sleep? With these types of dogs it's definitely a working dog and not a pet right? They don't sleep in the house and such.
My husband bought our Sadie(akita) as soon as we bought the house.
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I told him I did not want to end up with a "basement dog". You know, the kind you have to put in the basement when company comes so they don't eat anyone they aren't supposed to.
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Akitas aren't known for their shining, outgoing people loving personalities. Well, luckily we ended up with the weird one. She loves people! She is however, very independent, strong willed and thinks we are only here to serve her. I think she was a cat in a past life.
I want to make sure I arm myself with much knowledge before committing to another dog. Especially a large dog with a very domineering personality.
 
I vote for old-fashioned collies, rough or smooth. Some are actually trained to herd ducks competitively! They generally have a strong instinct to nurture anything littler than they are, and are great with kids and other animals.
 
Rachiegirl, if you were asking me the questions, you will not go wrong with an australian shepherd. They have tons of energy, so the kids will not wear them out, granted they have water to drink, and they love the ball, frisbee, or anything else you will throw for them. They will not eat you up but are very leary of strangers as I said before. If they are going to attack they will not bark or growl, they shy down like you are about to hit them with something then bang. My first one actually bit my dad because he was wrestling with me in our backyard when I was about 8 or 9. They are very protective of kids. They will sleep anywhere, in or out. If you get one you will not be disapointed, they are very loyal, and not to call us humans stupid, but dont try to outsmart them, you will be fighting a losing battle. Hope this helps.
 
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Would it work to keep the dog in? Maybe...some folks have great luck. Personally, I once had a rott/GSD mix who would stand right in the invisible fence line and twitch...twitch...twitch...wagging her tail as long as you'd stand beside her. I'm not a big fan of those fences..

The bigger problem, however, is that the only thing wearing the collar is your dog. If someone comes walking through your yard one day, for whatever reason, and startles your LGD while inside the perimeter of the invisible fence.....they might be toast.

I wouldn't want to find myself on the witness stand trying to explain why I thought it would be OK to keep a 150lb man-eater behind a fence that those poor Jehovah's Jevitnesses couldn't possibly have known even existed...ya know?

I feel more confident knowing that someone would sorta have to make a concerted effort to get themselves mauled around here...

It also helps that the keeping of LGDs is becoming more and more commonplace for the scores of goat owners in this area.. Moreover, Kentucky state law specifically recognizes farming activities as inherently dangerous and sets forth that if someone gets hurt in the course of a farming activity...too bad...the farmer can't be held liable. It's almost like a "Well, you shoulda thought of that before you went out and [whatever]" type of law.

I wouldn't necessarily want to be the first to test that law against the dog-bite laws, mind you, but I truly don't see it being any different than trespassing and getting horse-kicked...which is definitely a "Too bad -- you shoulda thought of that" situation under state law.

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Ivan's a goof when he's not upset, and when he is upset, he ignores you until he decides things are OK again.

As for kids, basically if it doesn't make him nervous, it won't trigger aggression. If it does make him nervous, he'll start with warnings and escalate from there until the threat goes away.

One of our goats challenged him on DAY ONE and he snapped at her face about 50 times before things went any further.. The last time he snapped at her, she jerked her head just out of the way and immediately circled to butt him in the side. He knew what that was, so he lunged and grabbed her by the ear (boer -- long ears). She rared up, jerked her ear out of his mouth, and ran away..

We went over to see how bad the damage was -- none. Wet with dog slobber, but not a drop of blood. To have seen it happen, you really would have thought it would be split wide open but there wasn't a single scratch on her.

The folks we got him from said his daddy got into a full-on brawl with a mature Boer buck once, after the buck gored the dog in the side HARD.. The dog jumped on the buck's back, grabbed it by the neck, and the buck ran off down a hill -- dog still aboard -- completely out of sight.. Just a few seconds later, they came back up the hill seperately and everything was settled.. They checked the buck, and he was just slobbery...no broken skin.

It takes a lot to make a Sarpie mad enough to kill you -- but they can, and they will if pushed far enough.

If only for the fact that it's possible, supervision around kids is certainly in order.

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Ivan's a working pet. He sleeps in the rain, unless it's an absolute downpour. He frosts over at night in the winter. When it's about 5 degrees outside and we're all about to freeze to death, he's bouncing off the walls like "THIS IS GREAT!!!"

I suspect he'd be fine inside, too -- and we're bigtime inside dog people -- but I honestly believe he's happier outside. A 72* house would be a bit much for a downy undercoat.

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Ivan would definitely be a "basement dog."

Had he been socialized as a youngster, perhaps not...but then again, if he's social, he's not going to guard as well against two-legged critters.

The folks who bred him put theirs Sarplaninacs in a fully enclosed steel stock trailer if they're expecting company. They didn't like theirs to be social.. We walked by the trailer and I swear it sounded like they were tearing it apart trying to get at us... I was impressed by the display, but I'll admit that my heartrate quickened a bit.. I gave my wife this look like "You sure that's what you want?"

She looked back at me smiling, pointed to the rocking, shaking, rumbling trailer and said "That's what we need."

Like I said, Ivan isn't very social with people. Loves us, but is wary and therefore agressive toward everyone else. Owning a dog like that is a fine line to walk, and one that's not for the faint of heart.

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That's always the best thing to do..
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He's not what I'd call domineering, btw.. Fear aggressive dogs are actually big 'fraidy cats; they just have a really peculiar way of showing it.
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Hmm...I am beginning to think a LGD may not be the dog for me. Between my kids, the nieces and nephews of all ages, the people who walk and bike on the road, and the people who just "show up" at my house(friends and family); I think I would run myself ragged making sure all was safe and it would all drive the poor dog to distraction! They sound like wonderful dogs and would be right up my alley if we ever get the right place for them.
That still leaves me searching and if anyone has any suggestions, I'm sure everyone will glad to hear it!
 
A belated thank you to all who answered with excellent suggestions. My computer has been down for a while due to house renovations. I really appreciate the suggestions.

We've decided to wait until August or September to get a new dog, even if it is risky with our free range chickens. We're just not ready yet. We miss our girl too much. This will give us time to find the right one for us, and I'm researching all the input offered here. Thank you!

Laura
 
Teddy - Border Collie/Bernese Mt. Dog mix

trained him when chicks were young by putting them down near him and doing the Cesar poke when he got "too interested" and told him "No". He wasn't allowed to even look at them at first...
He's been good.

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Our rottweiler is perfectly trustworthy with all our birds, and they trust her too.

TRAINING -- it's all in the training, no matter what breed. And if you're going to judge by the breed, you'd better buy a good pup from a reputable breeder, which mean one who trains their breeding stock and trials the parent dogs in herding trials. AKC certificates don't mean anything as far as temperament.

But just about anydog can be trained to perimeter training (staying within your yard), as well as learning which animals belong to you, the alpha, and are part of the pack.

It's all in how much quality time you put into training.
 

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