Famous Hatchery 'Pure Bred' Appearances

[The Moonshiner]

I have to spread the word.
I'm not directing this at you so please take no offense.

Each state has different "testing" requirements for entering a bird into a show. The majority of states only require PT testing.
PT hasn't been in my state in God knows how many years...a lot of years.

Very true.
If you want to bring an illness into your flock the fastest way is to start showing in as many shows as you can.
Idiots bringing sick birds to the shows has got me away from showing all together.
Just went to an APA show a couple weeks ago. Saw several birds with obvious respiratory issues.
It is a shame.

 

[Kiki]

Very true.
If you want to bring an illness into your flock the fastest way is to start showing in as many shows as you can.
Idiots bringing sick birds to the shows has got me away from showing all together.
Just went to an APA show a couple weeks ago. Saw several birds with obvious respiratory issues.
It is a shame.

It's sickening what some do for a ribbon.

 

[Ladybird CA]

Well I think we all recognize that BlackHackle is a superstar on these forums, and starts some great discussions and I'll own up to being the original toasty's tinkler, but hey I apologized ahead of time for the distraction I knew it would create, however this is a discussion forum, and the resulting discussion seems to have been worthy....

but to your point... c'mon BlackHackle make with the pictures .... we need more 'cowbell'!

I'm amazed that he's only been here since June and has made so many posts etc

 

[Amer]

How about some Wyandottes?

I saw some birds being shown in production class (not American class phew!) at a fair and they were slim, tall tailed, and rose combed.
I realized they were supposed to be silver laced Wyandottes.
The only things that told me that were the yellow legs, rose combs, and stuff that resembled lacing. Not Wyandottes at all. Just "Wyandotte Hatchery Birds."

I think a lot of hatchery birds are pure bred, but not purebred. Pure bred within themselves, but not purebred birds from the Standard of Perfection. Does that make sense?

 

[MissChick@dee]

Very true.
If you want to bring an illness into your flock the fastest way is to start showing in as many shows as you can.
Idiots bringing sick birds to the shows has got me away from showing all together.
Just went to an APA show a couple weeks ago. Saw several birds with obvious respiratory issues.
It is a shame.

They should be reported or disqualified.

 

[Amer]

Technically speaking, if you took the time to combine other breeds and created a bird that looks exactly like the SOP of another breed, it would be considered that breed even if it doesn't have any of that breed in it's heritage.

True. A breed of chicken, unlike a breed of dog is a shape and not a bloodline.

 

[Mimi13]

Right, and this was sort of BlackHackles original point about the difference in hatchery and exhibition flocks not being the same thing.

And really it happens going in both directions as exhibitions breeders select narrowly for type, color and/or trait, and hatcheries select widely for health and production and not much else, a great deal of genetic variance between the different flock types begins to happen. Who is wrong? In my view no one is wrong, it's just a something that we have to understand and be aware of.

It happens in working dogs, where you have a show line of beagles with almost none of the "rabbit sense" that is found in the hunting lines, and it happens in cattle where you have club calf lines of shorthorns with fluffy red and white "pony" hair and narrow hips, that look nothing like the production beef shorthorns lines where bulls are selected for butts, nuts and guts. There are beagle people that are glad to have a beagle from a show line that isn't as gamey as his hunting line cousins, and there are shorthorn people that don't want that bulky beef cattle look in their club calf... so that's why the various lines exist.

The great thing about this thread is the pictures are offering some comparisons that illustrate how different these 2 types of lines can look, so we can all be more aware.

 

[BlackHackle]

I have to spread the word.
I'm not directing this at you so please take no offense.

Each state has different "testing" requirements for entering a bird into a show. The majority of states only require PT testing.
PT hasn't been in my state in God knows how many years...a lot of years.

In some of our Alberta shows, no testing is required for some odd reason

They should be reported or disqualified.

Rico Sebastianelli our region judge disqualifies all birds with illnesses

 

[Ladybird CA]

mixed genetics are usually healthier than pure, this generally applies to all species because there is less of a chance of bad recessive traits coming together.

 

[Brahma Chicken5000]

Rico Sebastianelli our region judge disqualifies all birds with illnesses

Any bird that shows signs of illness is automatically disqualified from winning, but they have already infected other birds.