Fixing vs. Not Fixing your dogs

Do you fix your dog?

  • No

    Votes: 8 12.9%
  • Yes

    Votes: 51 82.3%
  • Not sure yet

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Ovary sparing spay (females)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    62
Our last dog was neutered way too young (4 months :oops:) and had tons of issues. The incidence of ACL injuries, etc. is also far higher since they keep growing past when they’re supposed to. We found this to be true with him as he tore his ACL and later retore it. We also lost him at 6 1/2 to an immune system disorder that I honestly think could have also been related. But he was also a huge dog (130+ lbs) so it was especially bad neutering him so early but we didn’t know any better and the vet had said he was “plenty big enough” and we were having some issues so yeah. We switched vets eventually for other reasons but yeah.

Honestly though I don’t think it has to be neuter or not neuter. I don’t think it’s so black and white. And I’m also not convinced the solution is never neuter but rather wait if you can. Dogs don’t finish growing until 18 months (maybe slightly less for small breeds and even later for the giant breeds) so I think waiting until at least 1-2 years rather than the typical 6 months is best, if you really want to do it. Or for females until after 1-2 heat cycles. They do also have hysterectomies and ovary sparing surgeries now as well so they can keep the hormones but not get pregnant. But they’re more expensive and not many vets do them yet.

I’ve seen images of pediatric neuters next to their intact littermates though and the differences are dramatic. The pediatric neuters are usually way taller and lankier and nowhere as filled out, etc. plus of course all the other issues so for me, I’ll always wait now.

Also, altering does NOT always fix problems. In fact, some of the worst humpers are altered dogs! My friend’s (spayed, female) goldens are HORRIBLE about this. Also, the whole aggression thing isn’t really true either and they can actually develop aggression and fear behaviors and stuff from being fixed. Not always of course and of course certain breeds or whatever may be more aggressive but yeah. I’ve actually experienced this firsthand myself with Brew. Our biggest issue has been with NEUTERED males. They don’t like him and snarl, etc. when we’ve met them so we try not to now. So yeah. He, of course, doesn’t react at all.

Neutering doesn’t magically fix everything and being intact doesn’t magically create problems either. Nor puppies. It all depends on the individual dog as well as the amount of TRAINING you put in plus proper management and making sure they’re contained properly. Of course if somebody is unwilling or unable to do that then altering is absolutely the best thing. But it’s really not all that hard to manage them.

I will say though I hate how rescues are now altering teeny tiny puppies 😭 I mean, I get it in a way, so they don’t have babies and also I think a lot of the transportation companies require it and they ship dogs up from the south now but still. I just hope they don’t have issues.
 
Our last dog was neutered way too young (4 months :oops:) and had tons of issues. The incidence of ACL injuries, etc. is also far higher since they keep growing past when they’re supposed to. We found this to be true with him as he tore his ACL and later retore it. We also lost him at 6 1/2 to an immune system disorder that I honestly think could have also been related. But he was also a huge dog (130+ lbs) so it was especially bad neutering him so early but we didn’t know any better and the vet had said he was “plenty big enough” and we were having some issues so yeah. We switched vets eventually for other reasons but yeah.

Honestly though I don’t think it has to be neuter or not neuter. I don’t think it’s so black and white. And I’m also not convinced the solution is never neuter but rather wait if you can. Dogs don’t finish growing until 18 months (maybe slightly less for small breeds and even later for the giant breeds) so I think waiting until at least 1-2 years rather than the typical 6 months is best, if you really want to do it. Or for females until after 1-2 heat cycles. They do also have hysterectomies and ovary sparing surgeries now as well so they can keep the hormones but not get pregnant. But they’re more expensive and not many vets do them yet.

I’ve seen images of pediatric neuters next to their intact littermates though and the differences are dramatic. The pediatric neuters are usually way taller and lankier and nowhere as filled out, etc. plus of course all the other issues so for me, I’ll always wait now.

Also, altering does NOT always fix problems. In fact, some of the worst humpers are altered dogs! My friend’s (spayed, female) goldens are HORRIBLE about this. Also, the whole aggression thing isn’t really true either and they can actually develop aggression and fear behaviors and stuff from being fixed. Not always of course and of course certain breeds or whatever may be more aggressive but yeah. I’ve actually experienced this firsthand myself with Brew. Our biggest issue has been with NEUTERED males. They don’t like him and snarl, etc. when we’ve met them so we try not to now. So yeah. He, of course, doesn’t react at all.

Neutering doesn’t magically fix everything and being intact doesn’t magically create problems either. Nor puppies. It all depends on the individual dog as well as the amount of TRAINING you put in plus proper management and making sure they’re contained properly. Of course if somebody is unwilling or unable to do that then altering is absolutely the best thing. But it’s really not all that hard to manage them.

I will say though I hate how rescues are now altering teeny tiny puppies 😭 I mean, I get it in a way, so they don’t have babies and also I think a lot of the transportation companies require it and they ship dogs up from the south now but still. I just hope they don’t have issues.
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Lots of info, and the personal experience is a nice touch. I 100% agree with this.
 
It is sad that (some) rescues spay/neuter very young, but I 100% get it. They are so overwhelmed by animals and so underfunded that it just makes sense to do what you can to stop the cycle while the animals are in your possession. Most partner with clinics for dramatically reduced surgery costs which makes it possible, but only when the animal is under their care or transitioning to its new home. Yes, spay/neuter contracts are preferable, but some areas of the country are so overpopulated already they may not want to take the risk.

Quote below taken from: https://www.snapus.org/spay-neuter-facts-overpopulation-facts/

"The average number of puppies in a canine litter is six to ten.
Up to 508 puppies can be born from one unspayed female dog and her offspring in seven years."

IMO, taking the chance with altering a juvenile stray/surrender in a heavly overpopulated area is worth the (potential) adverse effects.
 
It is sad that (some) rescues spay/neuter very young, but I 100% get it. They are so overwhelmed by animals and so underfunded that it just makes sense to do what you can to stop the cycle while the animals are in your possession. Most partner with clinics for dramatically reduced surgery costs which makes it possible, but only when the animal is under their care or transitioning to its new home. Yes, spay/neuter contracts are preferable, but some areas of the country are so overpopulated already they may not want to take the risk.

Quote below taken from: https://www.snapus.org/spay-neuter-facts-overpopulation-facts/

"The average number of puppies in a canine litter is six to ten.
Up to 508 puppies can be born from one unspayed female dog and her offspring in seven years."

IMO, taking the chance with altering a juvenile stray/surrender in a heavly overpopulated area is worth the (potential) adverse effects.
Yeah, I totally get why they do it! Just sad aha but I guess most dogs probably don’t have issues from it, idk. Most rescues aren’t really huge dogs to begin with and it seems the bigger dogs have more issues but still. That said though, it used to only be a few but now it seems like every single rescue is doing it. At least around here. Like on petfinder and stuff every one says spayed when they all used to say “will spay when old enough.” Now they’re all already done even the babies. But we also get all our dogs from down south since we don’t really have an overpopulation problem here so I think they’re required to be to ride the transport ?
 
The dogs would probably get wild if none were spayed/neutered and in the same area of the shelter. I could see the people working there having a tough time controlling the dogs if a female in the same wing was in heat. All cramped in a small building.
Agreed! I think that when it comes to over population, and not being responsible enough to stop unwanted pregnancies, then altering is by all means the right thing to do. Though I think there are a lot of dog owners out there are aren't educated about the cons to altering, since vets only see the bad outcome from it. Which makes sense because thats their job. Like myself, I'm glad I could do research on both sides to make a decision that way. :)
 

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