For those interested in Breeding and or Exhibiting ABA/APA birds only

[Sonoran Silkies]

If this were a site that focuses on breeding and raising dogs, proper terminology relating to dogs would be appropriate. Since it is not, COMMON English use is that "dog" refers to canines of both genders. Since BYC is specifically ABOUT POULTRY, proper poultry terminology IS appropriate. FWIW, "rooster" has a very long history, and IS a proper term--just not in the EXHIBITION world.

 

[Black Cochin Bantams]

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It might make sense if dog showing and breeding were a common topic on here, and if the term was not a common & derogaratory slang word. But as it is, I think that in the interest of remaining a family friendly POULTRY site, disallowing its use is pretty reasonable.

I don't believe in sheltering children from facts. I believe in teaching them what is right and wrong from the start. It's this kind of denial that causes people to think of terms like this in a negative way in the first place. Discussing the differences and similarities between the fancies is certainly within the intent of this thread. By your thinking, cock is also used as a common and derogatory slang word, and so should be disallowed here. I do know that a lot of people can't even stand the thought of saying it without blushing, due to their own insecurities, preferring to use instead, baby talk like "roo". IMO, that is sad that they have to dumb down things like that, instead of striving to be proper and correct.

I use the terms cock and cockerel. I also had an entry change sent to the spam bin because the filter threw out my email because of the word Cock. I used the word because that is what the Club catalog listed.

 

[Narragansett]

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You've got an interesting take on things. Common English use says that chicken refers to both sexes, but we use cock and hen when needed and appropriate. Again, I don't see how that is any different when we're talking about the correct use of dog terms. Both species have a derogatory meaning for one of their terms, if that's how your mind works. You can't say that one is OK to use, but the other is not, without being hypocritical.
Rooster is not the term which I mentioned, it was "roo". Exhibition breeders do use the term rooster all the time. Avoidance and deflection are not good ways to prove your point in a debate.

 

[wolftracks]

I do use roo. Why? It's only 3 letters. Just takes up less space and since I no longer type, it's easiest.

I believe in kids learning correctly also, but I also know there are way too many people who do shelter, so everything has to be user friendly. There are some things that I would be upset about also if used around kids. Not a lot, but I've had to have people in my life, just stop coming around mine in order to keep their negativity away and what they chose to talk about. Most times I didn't even want to hear it myself.

We could go on all day about what is appropiate for one and not the other.

Maybe since this is a hopefully on going thread, you could have a list in the first post. I do this in the California thread. I have information on the members, breeders, shows. Maybe you can add the show teminalogy listed. That way anyone who has a question can look it up right on the thread. Just an idea.

 

[birdnbeast]

Okay, I am outta' here.

I guess there was a good reason I spent over four years before posting -- I thought I had nothing to contribute =:~)

I truly believe each person has a right to have their own opinion -- however they may come by it. Ones opinion, no matter their power, is no closer to truth than mine........ like other unmentionables, we all have them and sometimes they stink =:~)

I will have to put myself in a big "time out" as I, at this time, cannot justify advocating ignorance as a form of personal preference in an educational semi-public forum. As a senior citizen of a well-lived, studied, active and varied life I have never gone a day without learning something new and valuable. Truly, being censured for being correct and proper and 'common' has not added value to this day.

Sorry, I am not 'computer' enough to do the 'cutsy' little pics and such and too dyslexic to be funny-chatty while trying to write.....

k/

 

[Narragansett]

Not a lot, but I've had to have people in my life, just stop coming around mine in order to keep their negativity away and what they chose to talk about. Most times I didn't even want to hear it myself.

I agree with you, but we're not talking about using these terms in a negative way, we're discusing how to use them properly and correctly, as they were meant to be used. Religious people use the name of their god in a respectful way, but it can also be used negatively. Would you suggest to them that they shelter their children from it's use, simply because some people choose to use it improperly?​

 

[Narragansett]

I, at this time, cannot justify advocating ignorance as a form of personal preference in an educational semi-public forum. As a senior citizen of a well-lived, studied, active and varied life I have never gone a day without learning something new and valuable. Truly, being censured for being correct and proper and 'common' has not added value to this day.

Thank you for putting it better than I.​

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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You've got an interesting take on things. Common English use says that chicken refers to both sexes, but we use cock and hen when needed and appropriate. Again, I don't see how that is any different when we're talking about the correct use of dog terms. Both species have a derogatory meaning for one of their terms, if that's how your mind works. You can't say that one is OK to use, but the other is not, without being hypocritical.
Rooster is not the term which I mentioned, it was "roo". Exhibition breeders do use the term rooster all the time. Avoidance and deflection are not good ways to prove your point in a debate.

I'm neither avoiding nor deflecting. It is not hypocritical to say that certain things are appropriate in one setting, but not in another. By your logic, if one were to limit shooting to a gun range, rather than also walking down the street and blasting away whenever they wanted would be hypocritical; or for a smoker to not smoke in the home of someone who objects to smoking would be hypocritical. These are pertinent examples of something being appropriate in ONE setting, but NOT in another.

This site is NOT about breeding dogs. It IS about breeding chickens (as well as other aspects of raising chickens). Roo is a realtively obvious abbreviation. I do agree with you that there are tons of very new abbreviations that merely confuse many of us. With the exception of RIR and OEGB, I think breed names should be written out. If you wish to refer to individual parents, dam and sire are good for any species. If I was on a family friendly site that relates to dog breeding, I would expect that the word "grump" would be used, but would not be surprised to see "cock" filtered out, as "grump" is here. I've never heard people that do not breed and show purebred dogs refer to female dogs as "grump." It is not a commonly used term among the general public. "Cock" is not common, but is less uncommon than is "grump."

 

[wolftracks]

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I agree with you, but we're not talking about using these terms in a negative way, we're discusing how to use them properly and correctly, as they were meant to be used. Religious people use the name of their god in a respectful way, but it can also be used negatively. Would you suggest to them that they shelter their children from it's use, simply because some people choose to use it improperly?

Nope I was only saying that just because we want to post one way, it's not acceptable to some, so on with what the thread was intended for. Just didn't say it right I guess. I have a big "HUH?" reaction to a lot of things, but sometimes you just have to look past it and go on. I wasn't really talking about certain words or names and the way they are used. Just thought I was helping getting past the arguing part. Darn it I wAS WRONG AGAIN! HAHA

I think we should just move on to what we CAN post. JMO

 

[D3invertebrates]

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Yea, right. I wish you well with that, but I won't be holding my breath for an overwhelming response.

You got that right, theres no useful info here just a bunch of nonsense.