How to get Pieds

[Yoda]

Remember the white color is only masking the true color. For example, if I remember correctly what Deerman had told me, I bred the charcoal pair he gave me which is a white eyed charcoal peacock to a IB split to charcoal hen (he was suppose to check before he passed if the hen has any white in her). I hatched 4 white, 1 pied, 1 charcoal w/e male, 2 charcoal hens and 2 IB hens one white eyed. Now he told me that I will not know what the whites are until they breed. If the white hens do not lay eggs, they are white charcoals and if the white male throws a charcoal then he will be a rare white charcoal peacock. Unfortunately Charcoal hens do not lay eggs so right now I know I have 2 charcoal hens as they are the charcoal color. Now if the 3 white hens do lay eggs and they are fertile then they will be white India Blue split to charcoal hens. Deerman told me to keep good records which is what I am doing because then when I want to sell my birds I can say this bird is a white IB peacock and not just a white. Knowing what color is actually under the white will help in creating other colors down the road.

 

[Arbor]

I bred the charcoal pair he gave me which is a white eyed charcoal peacock to a IB split to charcoal hen (he was suppose to check before he passed if the hen has any white in her). I hatched 4 white, 1 pied, 1 charcoal w/e male, 2 charcoal hens and 2 IB hens one white eyed.

Unless at least one of the parents was pied, and the other split to white, you should not have gotten any white chicks. A double copy of the white gene is required to have a white bird. Same goes with the pied, one bird needs to carry the pied gene, and the other a white gene. Unless you were using a second hen, one of your parent birds is pied?

 

[Wisher1000]

Y'all amaze me......

 

[WestKnollAmy]

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I would love to see this! Can't wait!

 

[Frosty]

Oh, Frosty! Both of those boys are beautiful, but the yearling is stunning! That is what I want to raise. Do you ever sell chicks? I don't think I could drive to ND (North Dakota?) but I am in love with that bird! And since Bemba won't send me his, I will have to find what I want over here!

The throat patch on your dark pied is larger than the one on the father of my white. His was just the bare white skin underneath his beak that was white. Was that actually a throat patch, or just the normal color of all peas?

I need to get more recents pics of them, I really can't wait to see what the silver pied will have for a train. He's three now, and like his father, this year will be his first year with a train (both had nothing as two year olds). It looks like there might be a few colored feathers in his train? I am really partial to the Silver Pied... I love the whites and also the colored, this is like a perfect blend of the two. I'll have to let you know if I get any Silver Pied this year and see if you are interested...

Editing to add that yes, that is a throat patch. White flight feathers on their own could also indicate split to white instead of pied. My guy also has a few white spots low on his chest.

 

[Frosty]

They are beautiful for sure.

My cameo baby had orange barring on her feathers, yoursa looks like it has gray barring, is that what i see in the photo?
Do you know what the parents of the eggs were?

The Silver Pied hen was the only hen, and she was in with the Dark Pied male and their Silver Pied son. So either the original male or their son is the father? I'll try to get some updated pics soon...

 

[Wisher1000]

Hey guys, I started a new thread to post (heavy) pics of the parent birds, please take a look and tell me what you think. Thanks!

 

[Yoda]

Unless at least one of the parents was pied, and the other split to white, you should not have gotten any white chicks. A double copy of the white gene is required to have a white bird. Same goes with the pied, one bird needs to carry the pied gene, and the other a white gene. Unless you were using a second hen, one of your parent birds is pied?

I have the white eyed charcoal and the split to charcoal hen but I never got the answer as to what other white genes the hen carried cause Deerman passed away. These 2 were in a pen by themselves and the eggs were marked with a "C" before removing from the pen. Deerman told me not to sell the chicks from last year so I could see what they turned out to be. He was not surprised at what was hatched so I am assuming he might've expecting something like that cause all he said was he never bred those two together but wondered what would hatch. That is when I replied "Is there white in the hen or more white in the peacock?" cause I did not know where the pure white was coming from. He said the charcoal did have silver pied in him and he will check his records for the hen as he thought she had white in her as well. Also added that the charcoal male didn't show any white eyes til he grew in his tail in 2010. This charcoal male I believe is about 6-7 years old cause he was around 5 when I got him from Deerman and this is my second season with him. I hatched a couple eggs this year and sold the rest of the eggs. The ones that hatched were 2 pieds and an IB with white flights. I also broke open the last 3 eggs that did not hatch and there was 1 pied, 1 white and an IB colored one. The lady who bought one set of 4 eggs did tell me she hatched a pied and the other 3 eggs were a brown chick and she said a white/yellow color chick, the 4th egg did not develope. The guy who bought the other eggs said he hatched a brown and white chick but the bird didn't make it and the rest did not hatch due to him going away for work and no one watching the eggs and the incubator ran dry for a couple days. I try to keep good records LOL.

When I picked the birds up Deerman gave me the charcoal w/e and it's mate an IB split to charcoal hen. He then gave me a 2 year old hen, another IB split to charcoal and told me that you will get some colorful birds when she starts breeding with the charcoal w/e. The older hen laid 4 eggs and then fell off the perch dead during a severe thunderstorm. I have the Pied son from her and sold the other 2 IB (split to charcoal) chicks, one egg was cracked and did not hatch. So the only hens left were the 2 yr old split to charcoal hen and a purple BS hen. I thought the "whites" were BS until Deerman told me that the BS was still to young to lay eggs and that is why the charcoal constantly chased her and he added that there would be no whites from her and the charcoal, just IB. I then removed the purple BS from the pen.

Unfortunately I do not know the background of the birds I bought from Deerman and if his family tossed out the records then I will never know

 

[frenchblackcopper]

Yoda,your luck combined wth mine on Charcoals may add up to 1/2 a cup? Such a unique color of a bird and yet such a struggle to make much headway especially on quitting eggs.I hope a diet change will solve that issue come spring of 2013 with my Charcoals.My Charcoal male is becomming wall poster quality more and more each day,,looks like his daddy in southern Indiana.His new growing train is worth staring at which I do daily when feeding and watering.If beauty paid for their feed I've have a surplus of feed here for sure and with high hopes on new birds coming 3 yrs old in 2013 the camera will get a lot of usage.

 

[Wisher1000]

My Charcoal male is becomming wall poster quality more and more each day,,looks like his daddy in southern Indiana.His new growing train is worth staring at which I do daily when feeding and watering.If beauty paid for their feed I've have a surplus of feed here for sure and with high hopes on new birds coming 3 yrs old in 2013 the camera will get a lot of usage.

I would like to see some "before" pics, NOW!! How 'bout it, FBC? Maybe from last season?.......