Incandescent Light Bulb Ban...

[pascopol]

There is lot of confusion about CLF bulbs.

They do save lot's of energy, I replaced all incadescent bulbs in my 2700 sq ft Florida home years ago to save on airconditioning cost.

Incadescent bulbs create more heat than light which is counter productive and wasteful in Southern climate situation.

CLF's do last much longer than incadescents, some of mine reached 10 years, however average is 2-5.

Some of them burn prematurely, also as the time goes by light intensity deteriorates.

The trick to light the room properly with CLF's is to use more than one also they come in different color "temperature" from 2700K (warm light- more like incadescend bulb) through 4000K to 5600K full spectrum daylight, so you can chose kind of light you are comfortable with.

Low quality cheap ceiling fans will kill CLF bulbs quickly (vibration).

As for the price, never buy a single bulb, I buy mine on line or in Sams - six or eight packs, then the cost is getting very close to incadescent bulbs.

Yes CLF contain mercury, so they are not as green as they want us to believe.

Here is a hypocrisy of current econazis propaganda. They banned mercury thermometers tough LOL.

I am not worried about ban, I saved all my replaced incadescent bulbs, have a bunch of them, all kinds of wattage, they will last me long time for my incubating and brooding needs.

 

[Serrin]

**Note to self: Stop by Del's and pick up a few extra brooder bulbs** @sigh@ I get so sick and tired of being wrapped up in wool batting for my own good by a government that is suppose to be "By the people, for the people" but which is run by a bunch of people who are completely clueless as to how the common people's world really is!

 

[1acrefarm]

As far as the CFLs containing mercury they keep much more of it out of our atmosphere due to less coal being burned. That being said I totally disagree with the incandescent ban.

 

[ChooksChick]

I use the ceramic heat emitters for the chicks anyway- I wouldn't want to be in a bright light 24/7!

This way they get accustomed to night and day right off the bat! I found that if I used the heat light, they didn't go to bed at an appropriate hour, and I'd have to coax them into the coop much later than the older birds went in theirs...ever since I use the ceramic. It works well to give mild heat in the winter months in a concentrated way to protect combs- I just use a clamp lamp with the ceramic pointed at the roosting spots of my larger-combed kids. I don't have to heat the whole coop that way, and there isn't light to keep them from getting their Winter Break.

 

[Tala]

My gripe with CFL bulbs is that they are a LOT dimmer when it's cold, or as someone else said theirs exploded!
I keep one in my front porch light and it's on 24/7 (one of these days I'm going to install a photocell base on it....) and when the temp drops below 40*F you can REALLY tell how dim it is compared to "normal"

Plus they are slow to come on (although they are better now than they used to be) so they don't work well in motion detector lights like I keep on my back porch.

I really don't mind CFL's in the house most of the time, but guess what?? I went to Lowes to buy a NICE Hunter brand ceiling fan, because the ones that came with the house were cheap pieces of crap. NONE. NOT A SINGLE STYLE of any brand, except the lowest-end-Wal-Mart-quality ceiling fan/light would accept "regular" light bulbs or CFLS. They all take the itty candleabra(sp?) style bulbs. ALL of them! SO I'm in the process of replacing all the crappy ceiling fans with ones that won't make so much noise or wobble like they gonna fall, and the only choice are those stupid itty bitty-based light bulbs.

Guess I should start hoarding those, since I'm not buying new $100 ceiling fans for every room AGAIN in a few years. As if a good fan isn't pricy enough, there's the pain of installation too. Nope, I'll hoard bulbs before I do it again!

 

[gypsy2621]

I have bought those ceramic heaters for my reptiles, they are insanly expensive. smallest heater is $30.00 here and for larger more wattage ones go completely out of feasable price range.

for the reptiles here it would be a minimum of 6 x's $30.00, now I can get 6 regular bulbs that put out nearly as much heat for$1.50, guess which I spend money on.
That is a lot of the problem people are not spending enough money on products and someone feels the danger of the Murcury is off set by the amount of mmoney they stand to make by passing such a bill.

I would love to know where to get these CFL bulbs for $3.00 each! Here I am paying over $7.00 a bulb and the economy packs are no cheaper.
sorry I am not spending that kind of monry just to have to give the Parmacutical Companies my money for Migraine medication.
as it is to go into a store, work on the computer and such I have to have yellow tinted glasses ( which is yet another extra added expense) just to go shopping and to use the computer.
For some reason I have found I can not wear these glasses 24/7.

 

[bel]

PG&E gives insentive to offer cfls cheap around here, they can cost $1 each or sometimes less, maybe its just CA though. The cheap ones are junk though, and most are not meant for outdoors. Incandesant does have its places.

I haven't built a bator yet, but the 12V route looks promising, I like that if you have a powerout you could still plug it into your cigarette lighter in the car in an emergency.

 

[Keg]

I don't trust CFLs when I'm not around. Have had three (of different brands) have the bases burn out. some of them have had the plastic start burning/melting. Far bigger fire danger than incandescent bulbs, despite the lower heat when they're operating normally.

 

[Intheswamp]

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Uh, isn't this kind of counter productive? I mean, if we're going to use *more* CFLs to equal a single incandescent bulb then we're beginning to approach the energy useage of the incandescent that is being replaced PLUS we add the energy expense of manufaturing the more complex CFLs and the mercury pollution. There are also more jobs going to China. China is the leading manufacturer of CFLs and to the best of my knowledge there are *no* USA manufacturers...although there are USA manufacturers of incandescent bulbs.

NOTE!!! I would like to add a word of caution here regarding CFLs. A year or so ago I had a CFL to "burn out" in a lamp. I didn't think much about it and didn't replace the CFL until the next day. I reached under the lampshade and gripped the base of the CFL to unscrew it. YEOOOWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!....I left skin from my fingertips on the base of that CFL when I snatched my hand back!!! That thing was HOT HOT HOT!!! Apparently the ballast was still energized and a very large electrical resistance was going on inside the CFL's base. I'm not sure what would have been the case if this had been in a ceiling fixture that was close to the ceiling or in a ...??? Kinda of scarey thought. Since then I check carefully before I touch one and I also am a bit hesitant to leave one burning unattended. FWIW

Having said all of that, it looks like we(I) may be straying from the original intent of the thread which is what to do about a heating element for home built incubators/brooders/etc.,. I really think as for as incubators are concerned that this will be a minor issue, that there will be incandescent bulbs of some sort available for our use, whether it has to be a candelabra, appliance bulb, workshop "tough service" bulb, etc.,. Some of these are slated for "extinction", but others will remain. I think I'm more interested in the idea of recycling coffee pots, hair dryers, electric heaters, etc., for their heating elements...seems there would not be an issue of one of these "blowing" in the middle of the night and waking up to a cold 'bator.

Speaking of those "tough service" bulbs. Being as they have heavier elements in them and are manufatured to be more heavy duty and take shaking, bumping, and knocking around, do you think these would last longer in an incubator than a standard "household" bulb would? It seems they would especially since they will be in a protected environment and not subject to the stresses that they are designed for. Just thinking...

Best wishes,
Ed

 

[pascopol]

No, using more than one CLF to light the room is not counterproductive.

2 40w clf's will light up the room better than 1 75W.


It is the oposite of incadescent bulb 2 40W bulbs will give less light (lumens) than 1 75W.

I am using exclusively CLF's for lighting my large house for the past 10+ years.

That's my experience with them.

would not to go back to incadescent lights for indoor lighting.

So what about China?

99% of all goods we use comes from China, CLF's are not exeption.

No matter what you buy you are sending jobs to China wheter you like it or not.

Thank our government for that. Also thank our Government that our standart of living will further deteriorate and will not be the way it was for a lifetime perhaps forever.