Thanks for the info, Pipd. Sorry, I had to laugh at the poor bird above, she looks embarassed! I won't live in a neighborhood association like some people do. If I want to paint my mailbox purple, I can. There are a lot of things you can do in the city, just like there are a lot of things you can do when you don't live in a city. We don't have the biggest yard, just over a half acre. We also don't have nosey neighbors, and there is some open area (acres, so the hawks can feed there lol) on the lot to our east. We do like living so close to IMS. And speaking of permits I probably should've gotten one for the pagoda I'm buildling. Oh well, let the surveillance helicopters find me. Yeah, not good about trigger happy cops. Ours are usually drunk, tho.