International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[KF0002]

parasitic white is Autossomal not sex linked .SO
if her son no name has no parasitic white ,than you can breed the white out by selecting the pure black progeny from Queen s and her son . each generation .

it is not a show .it is breeding as long as you balance the mating of your breeders in your pens , the fault will be bred out .for sure .

chooks man

I did check the cockerels yesterday. All of them have white under their hackles, even the ones with good copper.

 

[KF0002]

Princess .well named .
only her eyes letting her down _ SOP Talk_ .it is a fault regardless what show people say or think .
But she is stunning as breeder 100% . one fault and I ll add her tail is a little longer .
could mated to Duke or No name .

I like her a lot no much I can say .

chooks man

Yeah her tail is long, I agree. I have always liked her too. Other breeders in my club talk like it is bad taboo to breed a bird with brown eyes. I don't really worry too bad about that anymore. I have bigger things to worry about this year. I think type, size, and topline will win out over eye color, comb, etc every time. Since her hackle is a deep copper, I will mate her to Duke to balance out his halo. I will pen her up today to start cleaning her out.

 

[KF0002]

he look ruffed up .

chooks man

I thought so too yesterday. Not sure what his deal was, but I went ahead and treated him with Ivermectin pour on just in case he is wormy. He felt a little thin so I will keep a close eye on him. He has 4 CLB hens and 5 Marans hens in his pen for now until my husband repairs the pen the Legbars were in (damaged by the dog attack) so they may just be keeping him very active trying to keep them all bred. I will move the Legbar hens to another pen tonight.

 

[KF0002]

she has many faults .BUT if mass and dark eggs are her strongest post .I can not argue with that .
Mass / Dark egg and Type are the 3 posts the hen need to excels .
her body type is good .long and heavy .her plumage type is not as good as Princess .

chooks man

Thank you for your assessment, and I agree 100%.

I don't have a free pen to single mate Queen's son and the females I want to put with him for now, so I will catch them up and single mate them later on in the year when hubby builds more pens. I may catch up the hens and put them in with the White Legbars to keep them safe. The cockerel stays right around the house and doesn't wander far so he'll be fine.

 

[KF0002]

@kfelton0002 .
yeah that why we named her queen ,she is really .good photo too .

her son .no name .

similarities =
Head .
Comb
Eyes
wattles .Ears lobes
chunkiness
width of the shoulder
type of copper
amount of copper
type of plumage and it colour .
type and quality of the under fluff ,pure black
shanks colour .slate
tail shape and form . NOT the Angle .

I think they are compatible . many good trait are going to be reinforce ,BUT Expect a lot of pure black pullet .great type and mass for sure .

here who I m thinking ,the best way to breed Queen as truly Queen .
Keep the best son of her from Duke s matting .the most colourful with a good head .

Keep the best pullets from her and her son matting . the largest one ,the heaviest one and the dark egg layers .

breed the cockerel with his half sister all from Queen s . Keep the best cockerel ,the most complete in all the area if possible . and try to keep Queen s a live for as long as you can .
When the cockerel is ready in few years time , breed him back to Queen if she still a live . if Queen is available ,than mate this cockerel back to his Dam or her sisters .

line breed Queen s . make her your foundation . she ll get there faster .

chooks man

That was pretty much what I was thinking. Sounds like a great plan if all goes accordingly. Thanks for all the great advice.

 

[KF0002]

when we talk marans , you have to trust me . I know how they work .
if you want to know ,watch him when he is alert . look how he stand .when his tail is @ it maximum .if his tail is touching his back ,than he ll have Squirrel Tail when fully mature .
if his tail stay high but does not passes the 90 Degree Angle than he has a High Tail .

take more photos of him post to crow .agitated .Alert .and post them .

chooks man

Here is one when he is alert. He appears to be the top dog of his brothers. I don't like the way he holds his tail sometimes. But other times it looks okay.

 

[KF0002]

Here is another shot of the cockerel and his tail looks okay. High but okay.

 

[KF0002]

This is the cockerel's brother. A bigger bird but taller and longer in the leg.

 

[Chooks man]

Couldn't one parent be recessive for mottling but not showing it? I thought mottling was recessive?

yes if one chooks has just one mottled gene ,than he/she is split mottled .

mottled pattern has to be over all the body not just part of it to be called mottled chook.

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

Here is one when he is alert. He appears to be the top dog of his brothers. I don't like the way he holds his tail sometimes. But other times it looks okay.

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his tail is @ 90 Degree not higher .that what I thought . Squirrel Tail Angle is higher than 90 degrees .120 and more . plus will have long feathers .

Regardless about his tail .I explain to you how he ll be good to back cross him to his Dam Queen .and what type of cockerel you ll be looking for in the future the Ze Ze cockerel I described before .
I do not see any Squirrel tail progeny coming out of Queen s if she was properly line bred .she has stunning tail .impossible .

chooks man