International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Chooks man]

Thank you Chooksman! Everything is set as planned. Relief!

any BLC line who can throw a BC cockerel like Blaze is trouble free .it is not easy to come out with a stunning BC cockerel from Blue X Blue .your line is special .
it is a reason I keep saying stop worrying ,enjoy your chooks , it is a blessing from the sky .enjoy them .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

look at the chest on this guy super deep , short back and wide chest .
Black Mamba X Gaxelle .
i allowed a short back on this guy for his quality of copper and early coloring type . take and give . no way street .
perfect chooks are far away .one day I will breed them .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

this guy is going too big . both Dam and Sire are big . late maturing for sure .a lot growing to do . soundness is the thing to watch when working with thoses big bird ,especially the legs .
Arnauld X Malika ,great pair .

chooks man

 

[chickengr]

tonight I removed Day Walker from breeding pen ,he was the last any way .all the hens are running free .all th gate teween the pens are open .so they can go any where they like .a lot fighting tomorrow for sure between th girls for sure .

moved the egg last nigh lizas egg high fertility ,,Expecting Sunday hatch .
DW 50 % he doesn t like Dalakhania and Kako .my best hens .he let me down .

Sunday will fill the incubator for the last time 3 of them .excitted about it new genetic .new pairing .Liza s line X import line . BC/BLC and SP
will be great Xmas present .

chooks man

I am learning to do just that. Last year I probably would have freaked out to find a split/slipped wing bird produced from my line. But this year I am a lot more laid back with it. No line is going to be free from DQ, defects, recessive genes, etc. I am learning to appreciate my birds for what they are now and am seeing potential where I wouldnt have seen it before and what can be done to improve upon them. I will breed my best to my best and take them as they come.

amen

 

[KF0002]

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this guy is going too big . both Dam and Sire are big . late maturing for sure .a lot growing to do . soundness is the thing to watch when working with thoses big bird ,especially the legs .
Arnauld X Malika ,great pair .

chooks man

He is big! That was another question I had. I know size comes from the female, that is what I've always been told my whole life. Does the male contribute at all? I ask mainly because I have two OEG brothers and I like the smaller brother better but need to improve upon their size.

 

[KF0002]

I was looking back through my notes and Queen had the white feathers in her wing as a pullet that persisted with her adult annual molt. This was her second adult molt this year. Does that change things regarding using her as a breeder?

 

[KF0002]

Yeah don't panic Kayla! Lol I am not panicking! Lol

Believe it or not, for the first time in my life I am not panicking regarding my Marans. Lol. I think I am just to that point that it is what it is. I have been ready to scrap the whole line before, probably more than once. Especially when I couldnt get a handle on the high tails. The line is getting better each year so I can't ask for any more than that. Now that I have nice tails to look at I feel like any problem I am faced with has a solution. To me, nothing was worse than those cursed high tails. Lol. If they can be solved, so can the white.

 

[Chooks man]

He is big! That was another question I had. I know size comes from the female, that is what I've always been told my whole life. Does the male contribute at all? I ask mainly because I have two OEG brothers and I like the smaller brother better but need to improve upon their size.

yes my friend the Sire { cockerel} has some thing to do with a body type but not as much as a hen .
the hen contribute the shape and size of the body .big hen will always produce big chooks .
the Rooster contribute the Stand and a power .powerful sharp rooster will yield powerful strong sons .Elegant rooster will yield Elegant progeny,

I always select the rooster fro the shape of they body ,but the most important thing they will be selected for is they body colour pattern and a quality of the plumage .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

I was looking back through my notes and Queen had the white feathers in her wing as a pullet that persisted with her adult annual molt. This was her second adult molt this year. Does that change things regarding using her as a breeder?

it is nice to know she always had it . so now we know .
does not change any thing to your breeding program .because she is not powerful in that area . the reason I say that is Malika is her daughter and she is free from it .so Queen is nor dominant in the mating regarding the parasitic white .
maybe her parasitic white is sex linked .only her boys will inherit it not the girls .

Does Prince has a same white feathers in his wings or tail ?very important to know .
Malika s has got it is good enough for me . I go with a result .not a theory .

chooks man

 

[KF0002]

my friend you forgetting the value of the old breeder genes .
young pullets can not replace the mature proven genes of Queen ,not because she has 2 white feather at the old age . even if it is parasitic white ,it is not as bad as underfluff ,

line breed her first with DA if you think is her son and DH we think is her Grand son ,what a better way to know what a make up of your line before you go deep into it . be wise in selecting don t miss the corner stone . it is important than any other stone .because serve different purposes .

Queen is like that she has many qualities .your breeding program need .
only have Duches as mature ,not proven yet . Xina is out .what else you left with .are you going to cull all your hens because they have fault.

think well my friend .don t rush thing out .
chooks man

PS .I have said before ,when we take one breeders out from the breeding program we need to find a similar bird to replace him/her .we can not just eleminate ,we will left with nothing .

chooks man

That is very true. I was just worried about passing the parasitic white further. Malika is better than her mother so I was thinking it might be smart just to breed her to both males next year, as well as a couple of my best pullets. If you think Queen is okay to use, then use her we shall.