Ivomec Pour on for cattle for dogs?? Is this true....

[lorieMN]

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I have used it for years,,started when my dogs got rabbit fur mite mange,,it works for what I needed it for.I know others that have used it for years without any problems,it does do wonders for ear mites..infact was recommend to me by my vet when they got the rabbit mange.

 

[davidb]

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Well, theory is nice and fun and all that, but a number of people (including some I know) have had collie-type dogs DIE from ivermectin sensitivity.

What mostly matters is what actually happens (and what happens among large numbers of animals, not just "I did this once and nothing awful happened"), not what a person might *think* should happen.

In my opinion.

Regarding the original question on the thread, it depends how much you're willing to stake on your ability to perform careful accurate dilutions/measurements, and how you'd feel if something went wrong. Personally I'm with Doc Henry on it's not worth the small amount of money to be saved, but it's an individual choice.

Pat

Yes theory is fun, and what mostly matters is what actually Happened, I think I will believe the bible over people that think it was wormer that killed their herd dog, But if you have some conclusive proof that the make up of one k9 verses another is totally different I would really like to read it, Not somthing put out by other med. salesmen or someones friend, But scientific evidents that states a herd dog does not have the same genetic make of as all the other dogs on this earth

 

[honeydoll]

These are all very good points, things to consider. It's really saving more than $5 to use the pour on but that's not the whole point. I think the mark up on vet services and products is outrageous, just like the medical for humans. If you can't afford something your treated like some terrible animal owner (at lest in this area, many people complain about this), and I'm not talking necessary services, I'm talking optional. I hate to be treated rude when they are taking my money. So I avoid the vets whenever possible and vaccinate, de-flea, worm on my own. Rabies and the such of course they go, but if I can avoid it I do. That being said I do not want to kill my dog either, please don't think I don't care. Mcg. sure would be a diffilcult dose. How come you can use it on chickens, which are so much smaller than a dog, and their fine? Is it the dog's response to the med? If someone could explain that I'd really like to understand.

 

[Tala]

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I want to know that too.

Maybe because "nobody" in the medicine business really cares about chickens enough to calculate the "right" dosage, or to publish any side effects, so there are no warnings against it.
Like I said, my grandpa just squirted a very small amount on his dogs. I'm not sure he diluted it or even measured.

He's getting senile now, so he probably couldn't tell me even if I asked about it.

 

[bwebb7]

I have used the injectable for years My 50 lb dogs got .05 ml-I use an insulin syringe to measure it.
I also squirted some on our bunny when we brought it home and her fur all came in nice.

 

[OccamsTazer]

I would not use the pour-on. Injectable can be used orally for dogs, but vets do not reccomend it, because it is quite easy to cause permanent kidney and liver damage with a poorly measured dose. I use the 1% injectable solution orally for my dogs, but I started doing it when I was working as a vet tech, and I did it under a vet's direct instruction. So, if you trust your own measuring skills, the dosage is 1/10 mL of 1% solution per 10lbs of body weight. This is still a much higher dose than what you find in Heartgard.
This is the dose used for filarial clearing, rather than the dose used for monthly prevention. However, this will do no harm and it provides the same protection.
The first time you do it, do it on a weekday during business hours, in case your dog has a reaction. It is unlikely, but I'm an over-planner, it's what I would do

Davidb, the reason Collies are sensitive is because of a mutation in the gene that codes for P-glycoprotein, which functions in regulating the blood-brain barrier. Because of this mutation, their bodies cannot process the drug properly, and it accumulates in brain tissue. This causes horrendous neurological damage.
I don't know what to say about your statement that dogs all have the same genetic makeup. Genetic variation and selective breeding is the *source* of all the varieties of domestic animals.

 

[todd walker]

I've been using for 20+ years 1%, dogs between 60-85lbs get 1/2cc.
Vets will say not to use becuse it is off label use.
But did have a 35lb english setter with mange(got her that way)she got 2cc a day for 12 days,cured the mange and she is still alive at 12.
And as far as saving money it is alot more that 5 bucks,I get a 50ml bottle for around 35 bucks it will do 10 dogs for a year.
It will never be fda approved for dogs just cost to much money and they sell lots to us that have cows,and buy it by the gallon.

 

[BorderKelpie]

I have actually had collie type dogs react badly to ivomec. One was a sheltie, the other an Aussie. It is a herding dog thing, all collie types since most 'white legged' herding dogs have collies in their genetic background. I have read somewhere that sighthounds may be affected as well (greyhounds, salukis and the like). It is due to the mdr-1 mutation and I can guarantee from my own personal experience, it is not worth the risk. In both cases, both dogs had been dosed several times before thier reactions.Thanks to quick medical care (iv fluids for several days and supportive care) both dogs recovered fully. Trust me, it is a scary thing to witness and I would highly recommend being extremly careful. On that same note, my other breeds of non-herding heritage, do just fine on it. (and the saying is something to do with white-legged dogs that chase sheep... that counts for several of the strays around here lol. It just refers to the collies and collie type dogs)
A good reference is a collie website I found. I will try to locate it and post here. Bear with me, I'm supposed to be working.

 

[lockedhearts]

I had my Bouvier at the vet today and asked this question. It is not Ivomec Pour On you use for Dogs, it is Ivermectin, Like Horse Wormer. You have to know the concentration and figure out the exact dosage. It takes care of HeartWorms, Round Worms and Hook Worms. It does not touch Whip Worms, only Panacur treats those, but you should not use Ivermectin and Panacur together.
My vet will figure the dosage for my dogs, he is a vet for the right reasons and understands that in my situation being able to dose my self is helping me out right now.
Again, I personally do not reccomend trying to figure this out yourself, ask your vet, they might very well help you out as my vet is willing to do for me.

 

[BorderKelpie]

Here's one of the links:
http://www.calcollierescue.org/drug.htm