Janoel Incubation Experience

[Heron's Nest Farm]

I came down this morning to my bator off.

I had 2 different sets of project eggs in there and I was 2 days from lockdown

I CAN'T believe it. I have it on and will check tonight but they were cold. I mean cold.

On the bright side I just got 2 lavender chicks and 2 lavender eggs. I have to say that the lavender chicks are so pretty. You must really be enjoying all of yours. I also have 10 Lavender cuckoo eggs that were waiting to go in tomorrow. Guess the bator is all clear.

How is Psycho chick?

 

[WVduckchick]

Omg! Don't give up hope. They are resilient little boogers. Lavenders yeah!!! Mine are all doing well. They are very skittish when I move the screen above them. They scatter like flies lol.
Psycho chick is better. Put her in with the rest and doing ok. Head is healing well, and the others don't seem to peck it. I'm worried about a section of skin between her wing and head. Like where our shoulder blade is. The skin looks really really thin and bubbled up. Like maybe air got under it, then healed. I've tried to get a pic but need more hands lol. Looks like if one pecked it, it would just pop. She is eating like a little pig though and catching up in size. And oh I think she may be a boy lol. If the wing length idea on them holds true (its not a scientific method, just some say usually the girls wings grow longer faster than the boys) but its still a bit smaller than the others.

Good luck with yours and keep me posted!

 

[WildfireSmitty]

I came down this morning to my bator off.

I had 2 different sets of project eggs in there and I was 2 days from lockdown

I CAN'T believe it. I have it on and will check tonight but they were cold. I mean cold.

On the bright side I just got 2 lavender chicks and 2 lavender eggs. I have to say that the lavender chicks are so pretty. You must really be enjoying all of yours. I also have 10 Lavender cuckoo eggs that were waiting to go in tomorrow. Guess the bator is all clear.

How is Psycho chick?

Im baaaaack!

What happend? lose power or did the bator shut it's self off?

Kind of worries me, I just picked up my 3 dozen Naraganset eggs and I am going to set them tonight in my Janoel.


I have been trying to catch up on this thread, but you gals got so much going on! some ups and some downs. Looks like everyone has a bunch of little ones on the go. Some great pictures! excited to see more.

I have been a wreck since I got back. Soooo much to do and catch up on. I got 800 broilers coming on Tues, so i'm scrambling to finish my brooder room.

Congratz guys on the new ones and the new ones soon to come!

 

[casportpony]

I started some more eggs in the Janoel, this time they're peafowl eggs. Have nine viable at day 5 and just set another five or six last night. They're too big for the turner, so I have to turn them by hand.

-Kathy

 

[WVduckchick]

Im baaaaack!

What happend? lose power or did the bator shut it's self off?

Kind of worries me, I just picked up my 3 dozen Naraganset eggs and I am going to set them tonight in my Janoel.


I have been trying to catch up on this thread, but you gals got so much going on! some ups and some downs. Looks like everyone has a bunch of little ones on the go. Some great pictures! excited to see more. 

I have been a wreck since I got back. Soooo much to do and catch up on. I got 800 broilers coming on Tues, so i'm scrambling to finish my brooder room. 

Congratz guys on the new ones and the new ones soon to come! 

Welcome back!! Hope you had a good trip!

800?? Wow!!

 

[casportpony]

Welcome back!! Hope you had a good trip!

800?? Wow!!

Quite the feed bill, lol.

-Kathy

 

[Heron's Nest Farm]

Im baaaaack!

What happend? lose power or did the bator shut it's self off?

Kind of worries me, I just picked up my 3 dozen Naraganset eggs and I am going to set them tonight in my Janoel.


I have been trying to catch up on this thread, but you gals got so much going on! some ups and some downs. Looks like everyone has a bunch of little ones on the go. Some great pictures! excited to see more.

I have been a wreck since I got back. Soooo much to do and catch up on. I got 800 broilers coming on Tues, so i'm scrambling to finish my brooder room.

Congratz guys on the new ones and the new ones soon to come!

I had these eggs in a styrofoam bator. The Janoel did not malfunction. I have been in the midst of an experiment; trying the viability of the 2 bators.

SO the eggs in the bator all lived! I can't believe it. The plug was not quite clicked in on the power strip. I believe that when I checked the babies I was hatching in the Janoel I hit it just enough to break the connection, went and had my coffee only to return to cold eggs. Probably 15 minutes or so. I am unsure of the timing, but it's hard to believe they would ALL be ok if it hadn't been a short period of time. Even the newer eggs I had set in there with tiny embryos are jumping tonight. Praise God! It is really a miracle.

800?!!!! Wow. And I thought dropping grand on a pallet of food hurt.... And do you butcher them all? I would love to see your set up if you do it on site.

I started some more eggs in the Janoel, this time they're peafowl eggs. Have nine viable at day 5 and just set another five or six last night. They're too big for the turner, so I have to turn them by hand.

-Kathy

14 peafowl? Would that be the max you could set in the Janoel? I've never seen the eggs. What size are they? Hand turning isn't so bad, but I am really trying to keep my grubby mits off of the eggs as I really want my hatch rates to rise.

I have a problem. When I went to get eggs the gentleman blessed me with extras. 48 total and I have another dozen as well to set! I have 2 bators with turners right now-one half full! It is going to be tight, oh darn...

 

[WildfireSmitty]

I had these eggs in a styrofoam bator. The Janoel did not malfunction. I have been in the midst of an experiment; trying the viability of the 2 bators.

SO the eggs in the bator all lived! I can't believe it. The plug was not quite clicked in on the power strip. I believe that when I checked the babies I was hatching in the Janoel I hit it just enough to break the connection, went and had my coffee only to return to cold eggs. Probably 15 minutes or so. I am unsure of the timing, but it's hard to believe they would ALL be ok if it hadn't been a short period of time. Even the newer eggs I had set in there with tiny embryos are jumping tonight. Praise God! It is really a miracle.

800?!!!! Wow. And I thought dropping grand on a pallet of food hurt.... And do you butcher them all? I would love to see your set up if you do it on site.

14 peafowl? Would that be the max you could set in the Janoel? I've never seen the eggs. What size are they? Hand turning isn't so bad, but I am really trying to keep my grubby mits off of the eggs as I really want my hatch rates to rise.

I have a problem. When I went to get eggs the gentleman blessed me with extras. 48 total and I have another dozen as well to set! I have 2 bators with turners right now-one half full! It is going to be tight, oh darn...

your setting 60 eggs? wow! your going to be a busy busy momma! haha....

Yeah my feed bills are not cheap. $7000 CDN for 30 tonnes of unmilled grains. (that will feed my pigs chickens and turkeys for 1 season) I got a feed program through a bio-ag company, so my grain ratio comes mixed. I just have to mill it. It's a 16% protein mix. (i'll have to add Soy

to my turkey feed if I want them to be successful with them)

As for butchering, we bring most of them to an inspected facility. For farm sales we do on farm butchering. I'll see if I can find some pics of our setup (plucker, scalder, etc all stainless steel) My brother in-law build a pretty descent automatic scalder.

 

[misfitmorgan]

I ended up getting 2 of these, i'm wondering if they are a vent hole add on. The base of these are 1/2", seems like pretty large vent holes to me.

What would you use these for?

The metal things are just covers for your vents...mine came with screen plugs instead of the waffle thingy...the rubber grommets go in the lid vents then the metal part goes inside of those. There is no need to remove the metal or rubber part of the top vents....hence why they are mesh or have holes...the purpose of the screen or holes to keep junk out of your bator and chick fuzz in.

I have had to reduce my temp to 37.3. I have had a couple of times after opening that the temp has spiked. Anyone else had this happen?

The temp spikes because of ambient humidity. If you turn on your incubator when it is empty(before modifications, dont add water) let it heat up and run for 24hrs....see what the humidity read out on the front of the unit is it should read low as you didnt add water. Then turn off the incubator(otherwise it will be beeping at you) and hold up the front of the lid for about a minute...replace the lid and turn the bator back on...you can visually watch the humidity read out rise, then level off and then start to drop back down. What is happening is that the air inside the bator is 99F roughly, so it literally cooks off some of the humidity in there...when you open it you let in more humidity and it spikes up...along with temp because wet air is easier to heat up then dry air and the incubator is running at full speed because it is trying to recover from the heat loss of lifting the lid. (i hope i wrote that so it makes sense)

The temp thing is driving me bonko. It is hard to trust. I decided to stick with this temp as the two thermometers are reading the same. The digitals I have read higher! So maybe trusting them last time killed some of my eggs? I figure I will stick with this and see the hatch rate. I was higher on my first hatch and lower on the second- hatch rates were 55%, BUT I feel the eggs got chilled in lockdown. The insulation was a perfect idea.

Anyone ever hatched in the styrofoam bator?

I remembered I have a little 2.5 foot by 4.5 foot fridge in the bus I could convert to a bator....hmmmm......

We have 1 real janoel, 1 LG, 1 farm innovations, and one homemade cabinet. We incubate in the LG and the Janoel then we hatch in the farm innovations and cabinet...i also set goose eggs in the cabinet.

If you want to covert your fridge...i forgot the math for vent size and number but we have one of those small wine coolers we converted and we used 12 1/2" holes in the back wall(6 on top, 6 on bottom) We then put two lights on the floor, went to walmart and bought a tiny cheap blue metal personal fan that we lay on the floor so it is blowing at the floor. We then drilled a hole in the top of the bator and installed an STC 1000 and dropped the probe down into the cabinet at the level of the egg rack...the thing is rock solid and has a full glass door.

Lockdown today!

I decided I would candle to be sure there were no quitters. On the third egg I witnessed one trying to pip internally so I quickly shut it down. That was a first for me. Pretty cool! Anyone ever see that?

I think I am off by one day. I was unsure as I had a power surge and my counter reset! I was so harried this last month that I didn't mark the date on my calendar. This really highlights how with so many hatches, breeds and genetics I have to get my stuff together!

ANyone here care to share how they band their chickens to keep them straight?

Yes i very often see internal pips when i candle before lockdown. No need to freak the eggs are absolutely fine being totally taken out of the incubator for 20 mins at any stage.

For banding our chicks we hate the idea of toe punching or wing banding as both are permant and we are just against it...not that i think anyone else is wrong for doing it, thats not what i am saying, it just isnt for us... We use zip ties and i keep the color for each breed in my head lmao..i know awesome idea not to write it down right..not. i will get to it eventually....anyhow the only issue with zipties is you have to change them about 3 times before adulthood because they get to tight a good alternative idea is loom bands. i need to go pick some up but so far the colors we use are as follows.
Blue - Iowa Blue
Purple - EE
Green - OE
Black - Back Australop
Yellow - Buff Orphington
White - Isa Brown
Red - Black Java
Anything with a top knot, frizzled, or silkie we do not band because they are easily identified. Bantam do not get banded because i have breeds that hatch out looking very different. Naked necks dont get banded because.....they have naked necks lol.

Wow Bramble that is amazing. Maybe I need to lower the temp around hatch?

Personally I'm frustrated with my hatches. This was the best at 64%. I had 5 fully formed, veins receded that didn't filp! I am really starting to blame my bator. I don't know what to say here folks. It seems like something is happening here that shouldn't be?

i have had chicks hatch in the turner cups but it is a much slower hatch for me and seems to make the chicks a lot more tired....i have hard more then on bantam chick that could not get out of the shell, i had to lay the cups down then they got up and walked away. So now i hatch everything laying down as much as i can...sometimes i miss an egg that is due to hatch because i do staggered hatches and sometimes i only set one egg for that lockdown day. If your chicks are to moist they will be swollen up and unable to flip.

I came down this morning to my bator off.

I had 2 different sets of project eggs in there and I was 2 days from lockdown

I CAN'T believe it. I have it on and will check tonight but they were cold. I mean cold.

I have had the bator off for up to 4 hrs and still had a 70% hatch....had the bator off for 6hrs and had a 50% hatch...so they definately are hardy buggers.

I have a problem. When I went to get eggs the gentleman blessed me with extras. 48 total and I have another dozen as well to set! I have 2 bators with turners right now-one half full! It is going to be tight, oh darn...

i had shipped eggs i traded for and bought as well as local eggs. I traded for 9 serma eggs...i got sent 22. i traded for 2 goose eggs i got sent 3. i traded for 4 turkey eggs i got send 9. i was exspecting 12 bought eggs they sent 42 eggs. i had a replacement order of 12 eggs i was getting they send 18. So total i was exspecting 39 eggs i got sent 94 and then the other half brought home 3 dozen local eggs to hatch.....talk about being in a bind and lack of space lmao. i always appreciate people being generous but everyone was generous at once lol. i ended up setting my incubator full...candling at 3 days taking out clears and putting in new eggs....candling at 3 days again and repeating...moving lockdown eggs as i went and taking eggs from the big cabinet bator and replacing them in my bators on auto turners....in about 2 weeks we ended up with everything in auto-turners.

Yeah my feed bills are not cheap. $7000 CDN for 30 tonnes of unmilled grains. (that will feed my pigs chickens and turkeys for 1 season) I got a feed program through a bio-ag company, so my grain ratio comes mixed. I just have to mill it. It's a 16% protein mix. (i'll have to add Soy

to my turkey feed if I want them to be successful with them)

If you mean your going to have to add soy to bump up protein level....look into corn meal gluten...it is what we use for our ducks. We dont feed soy..yuck!!

 

[MangerSainFarms]

I too owned a Janoel Chinese incubator. First hatch was a learning curve and I had around 60% hatch rate. Second hatch made a few adjustments and had about 80% hatch rate. Third hatch I was sure I had it figured out and would have great success. And on day 5 the heating element went out and it no longer heats. Fan still blows but no heat. And of course this occurred around 3 am.

All eggs were collected fresh from my own residence. I guess you get what you paid for. I definitely won't be buying another one.

I've had great success in the past with hova bator foam incubators. But wanted something easier to clean with auto turner. Now to decide. Brinsea or Rcom.