Large Fowl Crele Project...

[RAREROO]

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They may work and barred wheaton would be more attractive than true crele in the hens in my opinion, but it is best for the roos to be the barred ones and the red duckwings to be the hens.

 

[zchickens]

Are cuckoo are barred the same ? ... in other words if I crossed my Golden Cuckoo marans rooster with a wellsumer hen would I get crele?

Z

 

[chickenlover54]

You could breed hatch and doms and maybe a few generations later you will get some good looking Creles, and yes LF Crele OE do exsist, I have seen them at a show and they have reached perfection

 

[RAREROO]

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Yes Cuckoo and barring is the same gene, it's just that cuckoo occurs in rapid feathering breeds and leaves the barring abit blurred. I'm not sure if the golden part in your GC Marans roo would hurt or not, but you should be able to get it, but it would take a few generations either way to get it right.

 

[Kev]

What are golden cuckoo Marans based on- birchen, wheaten or..?

 

[Chris09]

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This is what I could find on them..
Silver cuckoos to brown red. Save the males and cross them back to brown red females and you will get some golden cuckoo males and females. Half the males and females will be gold and half of these will have sex-linked barring. You may be able to use the silver cuckoo blood to breed out the gold breast lacing from the brown reds.
So that should make them Birchen Based. Right?

Chris

 

[Kev]

Sounds like it, thanks!

With that info.. the cross of gold cuckoo and welsumer will not give creles. Some of them will turn out highly colorful though.. You can save a son from this and breed him over welsumer hens and you will get "better crele looking" birds in both sexes from that. Reason for keeping a son is because if you only keep the daughters from this cross and breed them to a welsumer rooster, only the sons will get the barring.

That would be a neat cross, would be interesting to see what color eggs the daughters would lay, having the dark egg genes from both breeds...

 

[Chickanmanfromarkansas]

Not trying to steal a thread but I could not find a thread for this question, but it was mentioned in this thread.

The buff barred. Is this created in the first breeding or do you need to cross back to buff a time or two to get the buffcoloring with barred feathers.

 

[RAREROO]

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It's more than a time or two to get all the black out. Hardly any projects happen as an F1 cross, it wouldn't be much of a project if it did. Projects take years to do.

 

[thehackleguy]

I have produced LF Crele Phoenix. Currently the birds have blue in them but they look great. The blue could be bred out pretty easy in a few generations. Here is my brood rooster: