Large Fowl Crele Project...

[joyous]

I found this thread and it is very intriguing because I also love the crele and large breeds. Currently I have A Rose comb red dorking male and female (did have a trio, but lost one) I also have another roo, so I really can't get any more roos. Is there a back way to use my Red Dorking roo to breed to something to get a creole?? I don't have any barred hens, the closest thing would be a silver penciled wyandotte.

 

[RAREROO]

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Yes Dorkings are true red duckwing colored so they would work, you would need to breed a barred breed into them ( Silver Penciled Wyandottes are not Barred BTW) and breed back to the Dorkings for a couple generations and you would have it.

 

[joyous]

Thanks! What breed would you recommend? I would like to keep the rose comb also.

 

[ki4got]

ok i just found this thread, but had an idea of a crele dorking... couldn't you use cuckoo dorking to add the barring to the red dorking? (i know cuckoo is more rapid feathering than barred, but don't know if the slow feathering gene exists in this breed?)

i prefer the colored dorking over red, but wonder what color that is considered... is it a true duckwing or something else? (i know the silver grey dorking is a silver duckwing so...)

that is my goal, to basically make a barred version of the colored dorking. but first i need to get my base lines established to get the body type/size correct for the pure lines before i start crossing them. i don't want to go too many directions at once, or i might lose my way.

 

[galanie]

I've read and been told many times that the effect of the Colombian gene was to restrict the black to the ends of the bird, i.e. the breast and the tail, plus the flight feathers, as in Delaware and Brahma. Now I'm hearing in this whole thread the reverse. Or am I reading it wrong?

 

[chickendales]

im working on standard polish

 

[flgardengirl]

That crele phoenix is beautiful!!

 

[ki4got]

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columbian restricts the color to the end, like you see in the patterning of light sussex for example... this thread is about crele, not columbian. i have a blue crele oegb roo, and in researching what color he was, i discovered this wonderful 'rainbow' coloration.

cuckoo and barred alternate color/white/color/white. the exact mechanism i don't know exactly, but a slow feathering gene gives a sharper contrast since the on/off isn't instant. with faster feathering breeds, since the on/off isn't instant, you end up with fade in/out to white/color, resulting in a blurred area between pure color/white. i say color since crele takes the base color of the feather, while a true barred or cuckoo bird is white barring on a black base. (i believe)

and in researching the dorking (my LF breed of choice) i found that it also came in crele once upon a time, but doesn't seem to exist much in this country... so now i have a goal.

edit: actually i just found a picture of crele dorking, while not even looking for it! LOL clicking the picture will take you to that website...

 

[joyous]

Just an update to this thread. I am currently going to put the first cross toward a crele in my incubator. I have a Cuckoo Dorking roo over Red Dorking hens. I understand this first crossing will result in mostly Cuckoo chicks. I believe I need to cross hens from this batch with a Red Dorking roo. Any thoughts?

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

If you cross the hens from the cuckoo x red back to a red rooster, you will get sexlinks because of the sexlinked barring that the hens have. It will give you mostly barred sons and red daughters from that.