look what I caught!!!

[deerman]

Thats a cooper, lucky you got there, sure the hen would have lost the fight. My gamehens will attack anythig after their peeps, even seen them attack hawks and a fox, the cooper flew off, the fox took off with the hen.


Should have turned it loose there, it will fly back anyway. They fly hundreds of miles, plus moving them You do risk jail time.

Cooper are afraid of larger birds, just had one land in my front yard(after a gamehen) my peacock took after it.

 

[Guinea Goonie]

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May i please inform you all that this is a public forum. Anyone that posts these type of things needs to be very aware that they could in fact become a person of interest with the authorities.

 

[deerman]

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Dumping any animal is just plan wrong, killing them under the law is better!!!!!!!

Under federal law you can get permits to kill them.........if you can go thru all the red tape......

 

[barngem]

I can not attest to the law here in Michigan because I have not read it but. I know this from personal experience. I turned a green heron over to proper people once.
I found the bird hit by a car once while on my way to work. I kept it for a week tried to get vet care. The vet said he was not allowed to work on wild animals but he did look at him and give advice. I was able to get the poor thing to begin eating and I set up a way for it to fish out of a small tub of water for its food, as natural as possible.

The vet suggested due to the laws involved I could call someone to rehab him. He said he would not tell if I wanted to do it myself since the bird was doing well. I then decided to contacted the local rehab people that were supposed to be certified and educated as to how to rehab the bird until it was placed in a perminent location. It had a broken wing and leg. I turned it over to the rehab volunteer person. I had to drive 30 miles one way to her house she would not come get it. She then would be taking it to the lady that was to put it in a fly pen and completely rehab it to be released. She would keep it over the weekend herself. Apparently it never was fed or watered while she had it.
When I called her later that month I was told that the lady she took it to finally got it to eat food. She said it was not eating when she had it she said she did not know they ate minnows. She then told me the woman finally got it to eat. I tried to tell her it was going through a dozen minnows a day when I had it. She just acted like she never heard me.
I was then given the number for the lady that had the fly pen and was going to release it when it was ready. When I called her She said he had fully recovered and was being released on such and such day, which was during the winter. This is not a bird that lives here in winter. It is Migratory. Not to mention that I know for a fact the wing did not heal. The vet I had look at it said that it would never heal enough for the bird to fly.
She was basicly blowing smoke up our rears. Mine, the volunteer that helped get it to her, and the State whom was paying her for this job. Still ticks me off to this day......

Anyway we do not have any raptor rehabilitators here. Our DNR would simply take the bird and shoot it. So I would risk this I guess.

Probably should not tell this for fear of risking jail and fines. But when I was about 18 my dad raised a baby Barred owl. Someone had found it in the woods in the spring and instead of just leaving it there they took it. Then didnt know what to do with it. My dad took it raised it on raw venasin and steak and released it to the wild. I know all the rules about imprinting but this one had been imprinted by its mother it had just fell out of the nest. It would come back to our house for a handout when it could not find food, and eventually stopped coming. We know he survived because he showed up in the woods with my dad and I one day a year later. We were out in the woods behind our house and here comes a barred owl flys by and lands in the tree right by us, sets and looks at us for a while and left. It was nice to know that he/she made it.

He would have ended up in some zoo or some caged sanctuary if my dad had called the right people. Instead he did this and the owl was able to live a normal owl life. Not always the case, not everyone is able to do these things, and not everyone should. But something to keep in mind.

 

[cicene mete]

Just as a point of information, The Migratory Bird Treaty covers over 800 species, not just raptors. The American Crow, various kinds of woodpeckers, catbirds, barn owls, ducks, geese, doves, hummingbirds, etc.

 

[deerman]

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Alot of those even have hunting season. Thats not the Federal Law that protect all Bird of Prey.

 

[deerman]

double post

 

[theFox]

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That is correct, and further not all of the species on that list are protected from taking. In fact the federal government makes money on the ducks and geese as do several states.

Further even a treaty can not co-op a persons constitutional right to be safe in their person.

 

[SilverPhoenix]

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I'm sorry you had such a negative experience with a rehabber! I'm a wildlife rehabber myself, and I just want to say that in most cases we are very well trained to provide proper care to these animals and are much better equipped to deal with wild animals than general members of the public. My group successfully rehabs and releases over one thousand animals a year and is entirely nonprofit, and there really isn't anywhere safer for these animals to go than with us. Just wanted to say that because, although this certainly sounds like a bad experience, I don't want people to get the wrong idea about wildlife rehab groups. Most of the time we're very well-informed about the species we're dealing with and provide top-notch care that gives the animal the best chance of returning to the wild. When a person who is not trained to provide care to wildlife takes in wild animals, the result is usually disaster for the animal, the person, or both. I've seen some pretty sad stories...

 

[cicene mete]

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Alot of those even have hunting season. Thats not the Federal Law that protect all Bird of Prey.

Could you reference the other law? I thought the migratory Bird act was the one being referred to in the earlier quote, as the Act "provides that it is unlawful to pursue, hunt, take, capture or kill; attempt to take, capture or kill; possess, offer to or sell, barter, purchase, deliver or cause to be shipped, exported, imported, transported, carried or received any migratory bird, part, nest, egg or product, manufactured or not. Subject to limitations in the Act, the Secretary of the Interior (Secretary) may adopt regulations determining the extent to which, if at all, hunting, taking, capturing, killing, possessing, selling, purchasing, shipping, transporting or exporting of any migratory bird, part, nest or egg will be allowed, having regard for temperature zones, distribution, abundance, economic value, breeding habits and migratory flight patterns."

There are amendments and other regulations regarding hunting, ecological protection, etc., but I would be interested in seeing the "raptor specific" law, as I was unaware of it.