~MALAYSIAN SERAMA THREAD~ (PICS!!!)

[High Roost Ranch]

BUNNYLADY WROTE: SS x ss=50% silkied, 25% carrier, 25% non carrier <--- this should be 100% carrier

Absolutely correct! My mistake, again. It is 100% carrier for the silkied gene, if you know that both parents are in fact 1) silkied and 2) not a silkied gene carrier. I need to be more careful in my figures if I'm going to pass along information, eh?!

Punnett's Square is a theoretical, statistical approach to probable and knowngenetics. By stroke of luck would you actually get an accurate configuration off of only 4 offspring (since PS figures as the smallest probability 4 offspring). Much more accurate statistics come into play the larger the number of offspring produced, and if I remember correctly it becomes statistically effective or more precisely accurate at about 100 offspring.

And whoever said that ss is silkied and SS is smooth is also correct. When I figure in my head I always put the subject in question (in this case silkied) as the dominant, it just helps me figure quicker for some silly reason. When in fact it is the recessive and should be properly written as such, regardless of how my messed up thought process works, LOL.

A quick question to those breeding Sizzles I guess you call them... are there any feather quality issues you are seeing that's amplified by putting these two genes together? Is there still a main tail and wing that is expressed on a sizzle? With the silkieds, that's the desirable outcome, and I'm not sure how adding frizzled into the genotype changes this as I don't have any experience with the sizzles.​

 

[catwalk]

The silkied gene is actually labeled "h" for hookless. The silver/gold gene has dibs on the "s". So HH is smooth feathered, like most of our birds, Hh is split for silkied, and hh has silkied feathers. The good thing about recessive genes is, when a bird expresses the trait, you know you have it "locked in". Heterozygous and homozygous dominant traits often look alike, so they don't offer that confidence. The bad thing is that when you are breeding for a recessive trait, you can't always tell if your bird is het or hom, making it hard to determine if he will be usefull to your goals.

 

[High Roost Ranch]

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Thanks Liz for using the correct letter to identify hookless aka silkied. I knew it was something other than what I was using.

 

[Bunnylady]

jefner, I really like Calypso. She's a cutey! But I think your friend's roo is a Sizzle. If you read the breed description, Sizzles have Silkie type, but Frizzle feathers (with hooks). His feathers look a little too structured for Silkie fuzz to me, so I think his feathers have hooks on them.

I've been lurking on this thread for quite a while, enjoying the pics of all the cute little birds. I liked them so much, when I ordered some hatching eggs a few weeks ago, I asked for 6 Serama eggs, among others. Sadly, only one of the Serama eggs hatched. The chicks are almost a month old now. While the Serama is a real pistol, and one of my kids' favorites, I don't think she's going to have anything like the tiny "chicken soldier" type that has so charmed us. Does anyone have any suggestions about where I should look for what someone referred to as "real" Seramas?

 

[briarpatchfarms]

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Are you talking abou the maylasian or American because most pictures brought up on the computer is the maylasian style which isnt available here in the U.S. but a true american typed is quite simular, The only bad thing about these good typed seramas like what you see on the internet can get very "VERY" expenssive ranging from$100 all the way to $400 or higher. But if your are truely interested in the breed and would like to in the future show( there is alot of shows in your state!!!) Buy the best that you can afford!!!! its better to have one exellent pair rather than 4 ok pairs. Common sense tells you that with two birds that have show characteristics bred together should throw more % of young with the same!!! I have 3 breeding pairs or trios and all are show birds( one of my main being National Champion) The Nat. Champ. line so far has thrown show bird after show bird for me!!! If you really want to get a good start get into contact with Grady Taylor or Dianne Brewer( Paradise Seramas). Grady has an exellent male line and Dianne has a wonderful female line, both lines will do you really good!!!! These are the top breeders/ exhibitors in Seramas and you cant get much better than what they have to offer!

Although Jerry does offer a free pair to youth as well all you do is pay $60 for shipping!!!

 

[GotGame]

My first silkied serama baby

. I am loving the gold coming out in the wing feathers.

This baby is out of two silkied birds.

 

[jbear]

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thanks guys! She is my typeyest girlie so far... Plus she is very sweet. She looks like a feathery peach..

lol

ok--I figgered my friend's roo is a Sizzle--but that's different than a frizzle silkie? heehee-- But the feathers are different... interesting.. I just thought that was a name for frizzle silkies..

haha!

 

[jbear]

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cuuute!!

 

[Bunnylady]

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I hear you! Having bred rabbits for over 20 years, I know that while excellence may not reproduce itself, lousy almost always does.

Are you talking abou the maylasian or American?

I meant the American. Somewhere (I think it was on this thread) I remember seeing someone say that they felt that only the typey birds should be called Seramas, that there are a lot of birds out there that are so far off type, they really ought to be just called an OE cross, or something. As to showing, I don't know. I only manage a couple of rabbit shows each year, I don't know that I'm up for poultry shows any time soon. However, I feel that if I am breeding something (and who can resist hatching chicks?!!) I want to be working with breeders that are clearly good quality. Not necessarily show quality, but good enough that the idea of them producing it doesn't seem far-fetched!

 

[GotGame]

sure enough good type seramas are not that easy to find and high when you do. Just work with what you got until you can improve through new birds. Plenty of people, myself included, have them simply for pets/fun....