Mama Heating Pad in the Brooder (Picture Heavy) - UPDATE

Hey gang, was gone for vacation for a destination wedding in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico. I am just trying to get caught up with the thread, I am off to read the full 50-60 posts you all posted while I was away. Looks like everyone has been busy and we have lots of new people. I will be back when done and will post an update for our now 7 week olds soon to be 8 weeks!
 
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MHP brooder: All 7 chicks. 2 Black Australorps, 2 White Rocks, 3 EEs. I got them from Meyer and I don't THINK I had an extra charge for the small number though the shipping was ~$35 so maybe it was just calculated in. There was a heat packet under the nest material in the box. Since they didn't arrive by 3 PM Tuesday (as the USPS shipping status said was guaranteed) I contacted Meyer on their web page at 4 to tell them they can get their shipping money back and that I had NO idea where the chicks were since the last scan was Cleveland at 12:30 Monday afternoon. They showed up at the PO Wed AM and I got an email from Megan at Meyer about 10 AM so she already knew I had them. Seems though the lady at the USPS "problem center" thinks there is a "by 3 PM the next day money back" guarantee, it is actually 72 hours for live animals. Not surprised Meyer knows that. I told Megan the chicks were fine and under their Mama Heating Pad (yes, I snuck that in, aren't I the devious one ;) ) and was going to stick them under a broody hen. She sent back a link on how to stuff them under and mentioned she had to look up MHP :D . She thinks it sounds good, who knows maybe Meyer will mention it on their site. Then everyone will start hearing about it, sales of red heat lamps will plummet and Blooie will get a Nobel prize (there is one for greatly improving the early lives of poultry, right?) for bringing attention to the Mama Heating Pad Brooding system.
OMG, you might to be onto something! Our whole flock is from Meyer (7 different breeds) well our Fiesty Fifteen are all from our Meyer mixed flock hatch and they were raised on MHP from day 9( I think they were nine days, I might be off a few days). Anyway, maybe I should contact the person you dealt with? I could contact her and let her know about our hatch and using the MHB. We could hope that Meyer would recognize at that point to recognize not just Blooie but also Bee,Aart and others that blazed this trail before most.
 
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Big part of it is just that this your second year.
It's easier cause you've been thru all the 'firsts' that you didn't know about, and rectified all the 'myths', just like with the second child.
The chicken learning curve is very steep!

Part is definitely the heating pad vs a light. Chicks are much calmer without a light on them 24/7, no doubt about it.

The "second child" part got my attention since it is true but also because my younger daughter (now 20) and I went to Costco yesterday. There was a guy wiping down the seat of the cart with disinfectant towels (I think) from a container nearby before he put his son (I'm guessing about 2) in it. I mentioned to my daughter that we must have been terrible parents and it is amazing she and her sister are alive since we just plopped their butts into the carts. I wonder if that was the guy's first kid and if he will do the same for the second after he sees that the first doesn't die from eating dirt and doing whatever else he gets into.

@COChix The email exchange was with Megan H. from their generic email address: [email protected]

She did say they are always happy to see how the birds they send out progress (though I suspect it would be overwhelming if they heard from even 1%!!).

This is part of her last email. "this setup" refers to MHPB and I had mentioned it was sort of a "poor mans" EcoGlow but a lot cheaper and more versatile since the pad has uses beyond heating chicks. I don't know where she looked MHP up but if she Googled it, I suspect she ended up here since the first five results are right here on BYC:

"Thanks so much for the follow up and more details for this set up. EcoGlow is something we’ve offered in the past and may carry again, even still I suggest it to those who are concerned with fire hazard. This set up is something I will be sure to mention this option as well because we make sure to let customer’s know all their options to pick what would be best for them and still great for their chicks health."

So it might be of value for you to send some pictures and comments about the MHPB vs red heat lamps on 24x7 for a month. I named no names but did link the video that inspired Blooie to take a chance.

I am, EVERY day, amazed at how much time my now 8 day old chicks spend NOT under there surrogate mama. Just how did the "must be kept in 90-95F temps 24x7 for the first week then 85-90F the second week ... thing get started???? It is SO not how they live with a mother hen! MHPB is SO how they live with a mother hen. Go under in the dark to sleep and get warm, come out into the ambient temps whenever you want.

Zorra cracks up scratch for them to eat, plays the live version of MHP, she scratches around in the pen to see if there is anything for them to eat. It is still no warmer than 65F out in the barn. She let them come out this morning and I was a little concerned they might not be able to get back in since the sill is ~4x their height. NO PROBLEM! Flap those little wings and jump up, right back in the pen.



I took the 2x4 wire top off for the picture, the hole in the wall on the left goes to the enclosed community nest box (you can see it above Zorra in the 1st picture) now used by only one of the Anconas. I haven't see the "kids" use their bleacher seats yet but I know my originals 3 years ago got up on a short perch I put in their bathtub brooder. I made this figuring they would like to get up on it and maybe even get the idea of roosting.

 
Gee, this is exciting! Wouldn't it be great if we could get some coverage for this method? I wouldn't even mind if they used the video I posted of the chicks so people could see how well they sleep at night, and how quickly they pop out when the lights come on!!

Thanks for the endorsement! But I still think the best endorsement is the pictures everyone has posted here of their setup and their chicks. We've made a lot of people who initially blazed this trail proud, I think!
 
The Azygous chicks are branching out into new territory! Three days ago I opened one of the portals from the grow-out pen into the small pen where Flo the lame hen hangs out. It was tense until Flo understood that the four tiny chickens that just invaded her space weren't there to beat her up, which is what she's been used to from the rest of the flock. It took all of one minute for Flo to calm her hackles down and get out of fight mode. The chicks have been making themselves at home in her pen ever since, and Flo is fine with it. So today I opened the rest of the portals from the grow-out pen into the rest of the run, and the chicks ventured out with confidence. They understood what those holes in the fence were for, and that they represented safety. I did it during a period when most of the feisty young hens were out free ranging, and just the older hens were hanging around the run loafing. Not only did the chicks explore the run outside their grow-out pen, but they also did a little vertical exploring. They made it up to the shelf under the big rear window in Flo's pen, and ended up back in their pen commandeering my cushion to rest up from all of their exploring. They're not quite three weeks old, so I closed all the portals except for the one into Flo's pen when I'm not there to keep an eye on the big girls. In the past, when my chicks are four weeks old, they usually have full access to the rest of the run. In another week these four will, too. Also on the agenda for next week - moving into their coop. Getting ready to enter the world of the big girls. This was the big deal? Looks the same from this side. Let's try it from this portal. Flo has a good perch in her pen. Let's see what's up there. Oooh! A view! Mom won't mind if we rest up from all that exploring on her cushion.
Discussing mixing younger chicks in with the main flock/coop, would you mind if I shared just the pictures of your portal door on another thread?
 
I lost one of my chicks last night to a raccoon ;( the sweet Buff Orpington, Lucy. The RIR is injured so I have her in a dog crate where she can see everyone else. That's all she needs is to be able to see them, right? She has feather loss but no bleeding but the others are pecking at her pink bald spot.

I might mention that I've moved them all in for the night so nothing can get them. I'm pitiful.
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How tall should the opening be? I made one but I am having trouble keeping the opening up and even my 5 day olds have to duck at the entrance. I don't have the large wire, I only have regular hardware cloth. I tied the bottom (so I made a half circle and closed it with fabric so it looks like a D with the flat side down) to keep it from falling completely flat.

So I guess I have two questions: How tall should it be? And how do I get it to stand up and not be flat? Should I just build something out of wood?
 
You'll need to build something from what ever you have available or can buy that definitely can not collapse over the chicks. IMO, this is the biggest risk for folks using the MHP. One reader had a chick get stuck between the fabric covering the wire and the heating pad, and did not discover it until after the chick had died. IMO, build a solid frame from wire, attach the HP, and then enclose the entire frame and HP in a pillow case or similar fabric that covers the whole thing, . I used a pillow case and taped it securely in multiple locations with painters tape. Chicks spend a lot of time studying their environment to find ways to kill themselves.
 
You'll need to build something from what ever you have available or can buy that definitely can not collapse over the chicks. IMO, this is the biggest risk for folks using the MHP. One reader had a chick get stuck between the fabric covering the wire and the heating pad, and did not discover it until after the chick had died. IMO, build a solid frame from wire, attach the HP, and then enclose the entire frame and HP in a pillow case or similar fabric that covers the whole thing, . I used a pillow case and taped it securely in multiple locations with painters tape. Chicks spend a lot of time studying their environment to find ways to kill themselves.

Thanks. I don't want to buy anything else, if I put too much money into it I might as well just buy the plate heater thing. I don't have any wire besides chicken wire and hardware cloth. I think I need to build a frame from wood to support the wire, but I don't have anything to wrap around the whole thing so it needs to be open, maybe skip the wire or sandwich it tightly. Hmm that could work. sandwich it between two wire peices then frame it with wood to create a flat 'plate', attach that to posts to hold it up like a lean to shed, \ like that. That should keep it from falling or from chicks getting themselves stuck. It wouldn't be as cozy as a cave, more like the commercial version.
 

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