Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[Debbi]

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Don, I don't know. Maybe figuring they have more time to work on it, (October?), they threw something together to later go through and fix it up with other's input??

I DO know that there was only one very small group of breeders that were even willing to write it - they asked for help, NO ONE came forward. Where were all you naysayers when it was being written? I think rather than putting it down all the time, we ought to all be working to embrace it for what it is, and know that it can and likely will change in the future.

Wynette,

I'm not naysaying anything, I just found it very confusing. I don't feel qualified to give any input on the SOP seeing as how I've never seen one. I'm sure they will tweak it before proposal time. Got to start somewhere I guess.

 

[Wynette]

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This is what I'm saying. No, it's not perfect - can it be modified? Of course it can! Shesh. Sorry, I just know all the hard work that went into writing it (NO I was not included) and it bothers me that folks can't be appreciative of that.

ETA: Debbi, my comments are not directed toward just you.

 

[Debbi]

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This is what I'm saying. No, it's not perfect - can it be modified? Of course it can! Shesh. Sorry, I just know all the hard work that went into writing it (NO I was not included) and it bothers me that folks can't be appreciative of that.

ETA: Debbi, my comments are not directed toward just you.

No offense taken on my part. The thing that strikes me though, is why post anything at all until it has been tweaked? When they post proposals, then down the road change them, sometimes numerous times, it gets reeeeaaallly confusing, at least for me! It was the same with the BCM proposal. One day white/light slate legs were preferred, the next it was dark slate. Just using this as an example. Sometimes it is better to say (or write) nothing at all, at least until a full thought is formed, do you know what I mean? I'm not trying to bash those who do have the gumption to stand up and compile all of this stuff, kudos to them for sure! It just seems very jumbled right now, like three different people were looking at three different roosters, and they all just lumped in all of their thoughts. In my opinion, they (the club) should wait to post the SOP proposals until it is more narrowed down to being finished. People who go to the site and see one color one week, and then another the next are going to get confused. JMHO

 

[Organics North]

As soon as I find my stupid camera battery charger (grrr I hate that charger thing, I'd rather just have normal batteries now) , I want to put up a pic of this little blue roo I have.
He is so steely light grey that he really looks almost lavender. He is strange looking. He came from two light blue parents. He has a little darker greyish blue on his back and hackles but his body looks sort of lavender. Wierd.
Can't wait to see him!

X2

ON​

 

[Organics North]

So what is the scoop with Bev's Maran's... Greenfire does not have them on their site today? Page is deleted.??

ON

 

[BevDavis]

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Don,

Seems to me that the coloring for the cocks are all over the place?? First it says, dark red, then the head is orange, no dark feathers, then it goes from orange to coppery?? Gray under coat, when all of them I've seen in pics look to have white fluff? I have yet to see one in person, so can't really get a good grip on what they are trying to convey. It just seems all over the map though when it comes to the color of the roos. The hen not so bad. What are your thoughts on it? PM me if more comfortable.

Debbi, Just looks like who ever wrote this proposed Standard was out in ya ya land. There is so much that does not make sense and I will have to wait until someone does something about it if they will. What I would like to know how are they going to submit this mumbo jumbo to the APA for consideration. Don

Don

It is easy to criticize people, we all do it. However, the Marans Chicken Clubs USA has a standards committee which wrote the standard and that was shown to the paid members of the club. It was then in turn shown to the yahoo group members for their comments. I believe you were or are a member of the club and could have made any comments at any time. If you are not happy with the standard, I'm sorry, it's been written and voted on. There was plenty of opportunity over the years for you to start a club and to write the standard yourself.

I have had several e-mails recently complaining about your comments. I will not add more.

This is the proposed standard

Draft Color Standard for
Black Copper (Brown Red) Marans




Color of Male

Disqualifications:
Brown triangular wing bay. Golden or Straw colored hackles.

The cock:
The Ideal specimen will represent a color balance of Black and Copper. The cock must be Black with Copper finery, the hackles and the small of the back are Copper colored, with a Black or slightly reddish-brown marked breast.

Comb, Face, Wattles and Earlobes: Bright red.
Beak: Dark Horn.
Eyes: Reddish Bay.
Shanks and Toes: Dark Slate, bottom of feet pinkish white.
Head: Deep Strong Red Copper color.
Neck:
Hackle: Deep Copper color (mid-coppery to red-coppery, but not golden or straw colored).
Front of neck: Black with narrow lacing of Deep Copper.
Back:
Back: Lustrous Deep Copper.
Saddle: Deep Copper color matching the hackle.
Tail:
Main Tail: Black with slight luster.
Sickles and Coverts: Lustrous black with glints of beetle Green.
Wings:
Shoulders: Mahogany Red color.
Bows: Lustrous Deep Copper to match back.
Coverts: Lustrous black forming a black armband.
Primaries: Black.
Secondaries: Black (exposed portion forms a lustrous Black Triangular wing bay).
Breast: Black or with slightly Copper marks.
Body and Stern: Black.
Legs & Lower Thighs: Black.
Shank and Toe Feathering: Black.
Ear Down: Brown.


Color of Female

Disqualifications:
Brown spotting on the body.

The Hen:
The hen must be black with a copper hackle.

Comb, Face, Wattles and Earlobes: Bright red.
Beak: Dark horn.
Eyes: Reddish bay.
Shanks and Toes: Dark Slate, bottom of feet pinkish white.
Head: Copper (varying from mid-copper to red-copper).
Neck:
Hackle: Copper with a black-colored tip (spreading out almost down to the breast).
Front of neck: Copper.
Back: Black.
Tail: Black.
Wings: Black.
Breast: Black.
Body and Stern: Black.
Legs & Lower Thighs: Black.
Shank and Toe Feathering: Black.
Ear Down: Black.

This standard is for Marans only, there maybe other breeds that are called brown reds/black coppers but each breed will have it's own standard, they are not all the same. Each breed has it's own characteristics.

Bev Davis
President
Marans Chicken Club USA

 

[Debbi]

Hello Bev,

In the quote above, Don was asking about the proposed Wheaten SOP, not the BCM SOP.

 

[snowbird]

Bev, I have not idea of what your problem is with me and really do not care. Take a look at the proposed Wheaten standard and you will see that a 10 year old could of worded it better. I have belonged to the MCCUSA since last summer a year ago and have yet to receive anything but the ballot to vote for officers. I have received nothing about wanting people to help with the standard.

If you will take notice at the threads I have backed up the MCCUSA as being the group that should have the most to say about the proposed standard. Everything I have to say is here in the open and I apoligize for nothing I have said in the past and will say in the future. Check you facts before coming on here and blasting me. This is about the fourth time this has happened and I am tired of it from you. You are just another poster here like the rest of us.

Moderators feel free to ban me. Don

 

[Wynette]

Don, if someone posted this:

Just looks like who ever wrote this proposed Standard was out in ya ya land.

regarding something YOU had a big hand in, I believe you would be be a bit taken aback by it as well.

Let's all try to remember why we are here - to move this breed forward. We are all on the same page on that....at least I think we are! Even if you don't agree with the proposed standard, at least you have a framework to go by.​

 

[math ace]

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I got my marans chicks this past Christmas. I loved come spring and everyone was looking for chicks and mine were at POL. . .

I hatched the current chicks about a month before the last year's batch. Our winters are so much more milder than everyone elses that raising chicks in the colder months is not so hard once they get their feathers. I am 2 weeks no with my chicks in the house in the swimming pool. I am hoping to get at least another week out of the pool. I am going to try to find some way today to take them outside during part of the day. I think it would be good for them

Lisa, we made a 4 foot circle of 2" x 4" wire and lined in with hardware cloth....use a plywood top.
On warm days, we put them outside....they love it. This is by no means preditor proof, so we set it
up right by the house and only when we are home.

WOW - - Great minds think alike. I just finished using those green metal posts and plastic green fencing to build a "play" area for the chicks. I put it right outside my living room window so that I could keep an eye on them since it is clearly not predator proof. Also, used orange plastic fencing over the top to keep flying predators away. Attached the whole thing together using ZIP ties I had left over from the leg banding.

I HAD NOT READ YOUR POST UNTIL JUST NOW - - - AFTER I CAME UP WITH MY OWN PLAN AND BUILT IT ! !

They are outside in it right now, so I took a couple of minutes to check and see what is up with the marans folks!