Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[gilavina]

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i think i might not be explainin it right. your boy won't look like this boys exactly because of the fact that this is on a different type comb. When dealing with comb issues, they will not always look exactly the same from one comb type to another and even at that come in variations of extremes. nevermind

 

[Debbi]

Need to see if David Hancox would come back over here. He is Blackdotte2 over there. I'm just not comfortable in that smart, and strange to me forum!

 

[Debbi]

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i think i might not be explainin it right. your boy won't look like this boys exactly because of the fact that this is on a different type comb. When dealing with comb issues, they will not always look exactly the same from one comb type to another and even at that come in variations of extremes. nevermind

I understand what you are saying, and it may well be similar. But the way this thing here is growing, it is still coming out and up. That one looks to be on an older bird, and sinking in?? So, this would be a case of the "inverted" comb? Do you have any pics of the "Telescoping" comb?? that sounds more like what I am looking at here.

 

[gilavina]

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i think i might not be explainin it right. your boy won't look like this boys exactly because of the fact that this is on a different type comb. When dealing with comb issues, they will not always look exactly the same from one comb type to another and even at that come in variations of extremes. nevermind

I understand what you are saying, and it may well be similar. But the way this thing here is growing, it is still coming out and up. That one looks to be on an older bird, and sinking in?? So, this would be a case of the "inverted" comb? Do you have any pics of the "Telescoping" comb?? that sounds more like what I am looking at here.

I don't have any of the telescoping comb...I hunted all over and couldn't find any and haven't had any here for quite a long time in the wyandottes...like what I was saying several posts back...the invert and telescope are pretty similar...the invert goes in and the telescope goes out. What I was trying to point out was the fold in the comb itself and how your boys comes out...and what comes out is the carnation/sprig craziness...but the part where it comes out is where I was trying to point out it was either the invert/telescope. I used this pic just as reference, not saying your boy was exactly like this one, but was presenting in a similar way if that makes sense? I'm still not totally myself after everything going on around here, so I might be sounding crazy too...

 

[Debbi]

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I understand what you are saying, and it may well be similar. But the way this thing here is growing, it is still coming out and up. That one looks to be on an older bird, and sinking in?? So, this would be a case of the "inverted" comb? Do you have any pics of the "Telescoping" comb?? that sounds more like what I am looking at here.

I don't have any of the telescoping comb...I hunted all over and couldn't find any and haven't had any here for quite a long time in the wyandottes...like what I was saying several posts back...the invert and telescope are pretty similar...the invert goes in and the telescope goes out. What I was trying to point out was the fold in the comb itself and how your boys comes out...and what comes out is the carnation/sprig craziness...but the part where it comes out is where I was trying to point out it was either the invert/telescope. I used this pic just as reference, not saying your boy was exactly like this one, but was presenting in a similar way if that makes sense? I'm still not totally myself after everything going on around here, so I might be sounding crazy too...

I get it, but who knew that what I was seeing may have yet another comb problem going with the Carnation?? I still don't know, but you have presented yet another theory to this mess, oooo, thanks a lot!

Makes sense though, because what I have with JR, as in a Carnation, is so much neater than Muttley's type of comb. While JR's looks like a nice representation of the Penedesenca's comb, Muttley's is truly a different thing altogether! That's what lead me to think it was a "double dose" of the Carnation gene, as the roo was a carrier, and the mom HAS a Carnation comb. In the Asmundson 1926 pages on Sprigs, that Kim sent to me, Muttley's looks almost comparable to the comb in #5D. Yet this one does not have the ingrown, and swollen base, but the protuberance on the top looks similar (although not quite as fruitful as Muttley's!)

...I'm lost, I'm culling,

 

[gilavina]

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I don't have any of the telescoping comb...I hunted all over and couldn't find any and haven't had any here for quite a long time in the wyandottes...like what I was saying several posts back...the invert and telescope are pretty similar...the invert goes in and the telescope goes out. What I was trying to point out was the fold in the comb itself and how your boys comes out...and what comes out is the carnation/sprig craziness...but the part where it comes out is where I was trying to point out it was either the invert/telescope. I used this pic just as reference, not saying your boy was exactly like this one, but was presenting in a similar way if that makes sense? I'm still not totally myself after everything going on around here, so I might be sounding crazy too...

I get it, but who knew that what I was seeing may have yet another comb problem going with the Carnation?? I still don't know, but you have presented yet another theory to this mess, oooo, thanks a lot!

Makes sense though, because what I have with JR, as in a Carnation, is so much neater than Muttley's type of comb. While JR's looks like a nice representation of the Penedesenca's comb, Muttley's is truly a different thing altogether! That's what lead me to think it was a "double dose" of the Carnation gene, as the roo was a carrier, and the mom HAS a Carnation comb. In the Asmundson 1926 pages on Sprigs, that Kim sent to me, Muttley's looks almost comparable to the comb in #5D. Yet this one does not have the ingrown, and swollen base, but the protuberance on the top looks similar (although not quite as fruitful as Muttley's!)

...I'm lost, I'm culling,

yeah...its hard to know 100% but I thought I would throw that out there because I've seen enough inverts/telescopes to last probably 3 lifetimes.... I didn't want to add to the mess

...just put out there another possibility to things because if it is indeed more than one issue going on and such, then it will need to be yet another thing we all are educated on. It can get depressing thinking about everything going on, but at the same time...I'm so happy to have a place where people actually 'want' to try to do something to improve the breed together. that doesn't come along everyday.

 

[SD_Paulo]

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Got to love those mean roo's.......in a pot that is!

A few years back I had a huge GL polish (WoodY) that was given to us as a chick. He turned out to be a real pit bull. He would boss everyone in the yard except Diamond (Diamond was a 13lb Lt. Brahma) who he grow up with. I never saw them square off, ever! He just never messed with him. Now, Woody would go after us if we turned our backs, my two boxers, the donkey, the Giant Male Delwap Toulousse, hawks, crows and the neighbors sheep dogs.

The reason we keep him around was because he really looked out for the hens. He was always on point and would sound the alarm when he saw danger! Sadly, one day we found a pile of feahers next to his look out post (a 8"x8" corner fence post). Kinda of a bummer because I am sure he was doing his job! We still talk about that stinker ( and miss him- somewhat) to this day!

 

[Debbi]

Well, let me tell you, I am getting to the point where I just want to throw my hands up in the air and say, forget it all. Not really what i wanted to say, but you get my gist!

Seems this is happening in; BCMs, Blue Coppers, BBS, and Birchens. I have yet to see it, or else they are being well hidden, in Wheatens. Wonder why? Smaller yet gene pool? Less breeders of this variety?? More closed flocks in the Wheatens?? Does anyone out there with Wheatens have these comb problems?? Would love to see pics if you do!

 

[DMRippy]

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haha that last pic threw me for a loop. I was so focused on looking closely at the boy and trying to figure out what the heck was going on with his tail that as I followed it up off his back my eyes did this

as they landed on an eyeball! It was then I realized I might be kinda out of it tonight...I was seeing the bird behind him...I'm a dink.

I am crying now.... you all behave!

 

[gilavina]

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yeah...there are quite a few variables that could affect things...we'll see as things keep popping up and people come forward I suppose. I'm thinkin I'm gonna shut my brain off for the night and pop in a movie. I'm just about toast after everything