My neighbor IS A MURDERER!!!!

[oesdog]

You might want to go to sister site the easy garden and get advice on fast growing trees.

Thank you for that advice. - I am already a member of the sister site and get a great deal of pleasure from it. Good to know you also use it.

Oes

 

[Royd]

For some reason, here, in the South, city folk who move to the country, hate Pine trees....They drop cones, needles and sap, plus, there's a stupid wive's tale, that they are natural lightning rods.

The five acres next door was purchased by such a person. They came in, removed all the Pine trees and then, used a massive rootrake to remove the stumps and large roots....Somehow, they believed that the remaining Oak trees would not be damaged by this action...They have a yardful of dead Oaks.

It's not the only time I've seen this foolishness.

Now, your thread title is over the top. You can't murder a tree, any more than you can murder a carrot...Nether can you murder an animal. That would make every one of us, who uses animals for meat a murderer.

 

[oesdog]

What I meant was that people who want trees for example are entitled to buy enough property so they can surround them selves with trees if they so choose but instead they buy a postage stamp lot and expect their neighbor to provide them trees at the neighbors expense. Which is coveting by the way.

I am assuming you have other neighbors on the other side of you, do they have trees? if not have you told them they need some? maybe there are things you are doing with your property that they do not approve of? and them being a good neighbor are minding their own business by not telling you so...??

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, one man's pleasure is another man's gain and so on and so on. The early pioneers seen trees as a burden to farming the land. Maybe your neighbor is not a "murderer" but someone who wants to do his own thing and not be harassed by his neighbors and has to act like an ***hole to keep people at bay.


What you "believe" may not be what the next guy believes, have you considered that? Would you enjoy someone coming to you and telling you that maybe keeping chickens is just as wrong as your neighbor cutting his trees because they "believe" it is?

All I am saying is whenever you point a finger at someone you have 3 more pointing at you. We are only getting half the story here and having 30 some years experience in this area on contention I know there is always 2 sides.

Thanks for your post.

Sadly it is not possible to suround oneself with trees at a whim as a great many of our trees take a long time to grow. You are correct that there are varieties of trees that do grow quicker - but they cannot replace the varieties or habitats that have taken sometimes 100s of years to biuld up. Appresciating the beauty of nature and trying to protect it for future generations is not coveting.

Definition of COVET

transitive verb
1
: to wish for earnestly <covet an award>
2
: to desire (what belongs to another)
: to feel inordinate desire for what belongs to another
— cov·et·able adjective
— cov·et·er noun
— cov·et·ing·ly adverb

If you have read my posts correctly - I do not see trees as "belonging to any individual therefore I cannot desire for one to "belong to me" though I admit that I would love to "care" for one which I would see as a priviledge and not a "right" or a need. People are "entitled to perchase property containing trees if they so wish. Not everyone who would be a good castodian of trees can afford the land they grow on. - Trees are as wild as the birds of the air. They lay their roots where they will. No one owns nature it is a free gift for all to enjoy.

This was not intended to be a source of confrontation but rather a discusion on the right or wrongs of someone deliberately targeting and destroying wildlife particularly nesting birds. I am sure the birds that nested in those trees also felt a sence of "belonging". Unfortunately they came back to find their homes destroyed and their children dashed on the ground. That is why I describe my neighbor as a murderer. - because he had deliberately targeted and killed for no reason at all apart from abject cruelty.

Definition of MURDER : the crime of unlawfully killing


: If I was commiting an offence then I would welcome a neighbor pointing that out to me. If my offence was causing harm then all the more reason for a neighbor to step in and make it known.

As for my chickens - yes I do have neighbors who have varied oppinions on chickens. I chose to buy a plot that allows me to keep Chickens and Roosters however I do not keep Roosters on my land because it upsets my neighbor. Being a good and responsible neighbor is often a case of compramise - there cannot be a compramise on crime though. If my neighbor beat his dog to death in his yard I would not turn and say "oh it is his yard and his dog" - likewise if my neighbor deliberately smokes out nests and destroys trees in the hight of nesting season and smashes the nests and contents to the ground then I cannot ignor it. I would not be a responsible neighbor if I did.

Oes

 

[mom'sfolly]

A lot of the "get over it, it's his land" posters have missed a point that OES made earlier. According to the law in her country, what he did was illegal; not because he cut the trees, but because he cut them during nesting season. He has also run off officials. This doesn't sound like the nice, but somewhat crazy next door neighbor. It sounds like the bad neighbor who moved to the country to do whatever he wants.

I don't know if it is the case here, but where I live, urban trees of a certain size are protected. You must be permitted to cut. This is important where I live mainly because of the shade/cooling effect of large trees. Urban/suburban areas, particularly in the southern US, are significantly impacted by tree cover. Many areas have such laws, and it is possible that OES area is the same.

 

[oesdog]

For some reason, here, in the South, city folk who move to the country, hate Pine trees....They drop cones, needles and sap, plus, there's a stupid wive's tale, that they are natural lightning rods.

The five acres next door was purchased by such a person. They came in, removed all the Pine trees and then, used a massive rootrake to remove the stumps and large roots....Somehow, they believed that the remaining Oak trees would not be damaged by this action...They have a yardful of dead Oaks.

It's not the only time I've seen this foolishness.

Now, your thread title is over the top. You can't murder a tree, any more than you can murder a carrot...Nether can you murder an animal. That would make every one of us, who uses animals for meat a murderer.

Hi Royd - You cannot Murder a chicken or a carrot as it is not an unlawful act! ( The taking of a human life can also be lawful and unlawful ) - Here it is deffinately unlawful to desturb and kill nesting birds. This man has been reported to the correct authorities. Thus far no more trees are being felled.

hope he gets fined real good!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh - I eat chicken and I sit on wooden chairs!

oes

 

[punk-a-doodle]

PS. After reporting neighbor and planting trees of your own, you can look into land trusts to help protect your land and the trees you plant long after you die (thus giving them the 100 years to grow). That said, I'm personally iffy about land trusts, as I feel it is only a matter of time before our ever expanding population leads to issues such as not honoring things like land trusts (I mean, that already happens, so I should say 'increasingly not honoring"). Actually, I can't see that *not* happening in the future along with other increasing resource conflicts. But, they are there if you want to use them.

 

[chicken pickin]

Im sorry this angered you its hard to see something you love be destroyed. But did you ever think maybe he has a reason for cutting down the trees, maybe not just to be evil. What if he needed space for animals or a garden, compost bin, grape vines, fruit trees more sunlight for all of those things or even more sunlight for his house. They are his trees and though it may be sad he may feel it neccesary. I myself just clear half an acre on my small lot to be able to have all those things listed above and it was neccesary for me to remove the trees to have all those things. Dont get me wrong I cried as all those trees fell but now I am loving all the space and my animals we now have room for, we have a garden on the way and grape vines growing and as sad as I was to take away from the earth i am going to be planting new trees and my family now has the oppertunity to live more self sufficiently.

 

[bakerjw]

Down here we often see people buy land and then proceed to cut down trees as needed to put in a road, build a house, have a large lawn, or put in a garden. My wife's sisters will lament their actions as another raping of the land, but as I always tell them, "It's their property." When we allow others to start dictating people can or can't do on their property, based on our beliefs on what is correct, then where does that leave us? If I want to clear cut all of the trees on our land then I shouldn't need to get anyone's permission to do so and besides that fact it's really nobody's business but my own.

 

[Royd]

Sorry, but the word Murder only applies to the taking of a human life, and that, unjustly. Self defense is not murder....They may be slaughtering, killing, destroying the birds' habitat but they are not murdering....I know that certain politcal bents of society love to co-opt and redefine the meanings of words to either make them innocuous or outrageous, depending up their desire.

We are murdering a Snail Darter or some fieldmouse, if some environmentalist says we are raping the land by turning over a stone.

 

[Clay Mudd]

For some reason, here, in the South, city folk who move to the country, hate Pine trees....They drop cones, needles and sap, plus, there's a stupid wive's tale, that they are natural lightning rods.

The five acres next door was purchased by such a person. They came in, removed all the Pine trees and then, used a massive rootrake to remove the stumps and large roots....Somehow, they believed that the remaining Oak trees would not be damaged by this action...They have a yardful of dead Oaks.

We get a lot of that around here... people buy five or ten acres in the country, then remake it into basically a very large suburban lawn.

Way I look at it, they have the right to mess up their land, and I have the right to think they're boneheads.