Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[gootziecat]

Dipsy, I think we're on the same page in our interpretation.

 

[Nava]

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please help me cause I still don't get it.

so a completely no feathers on the neck will be allowed with out being DQ?

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

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That's the same DQ as in my book. You know how you can breed two bow-tie Naked Necks and get a % of offspring that don't inherit the NN gene? Those feather-necks would be DQ'ed.

 

[Nava]

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That's the same DQ as in my book. You know how you can breed two bow-tie Naked Necks and get a % of offspring that don't inherit the NN gene? Those feather-necks would be DQ'ed.

is that what it means?

well obviously those would not even be considered NN since they don't have the gene any way but is that what it means.

 

[Kev]

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I agree with others, both total bare necks or a small bowtie with few feathers on mid-neck are fine for showing.

The above quote probably means either a bird with NO naked neck at all, possible some might interpret it as including the not pures with the big bowtie with tons of feathers hiding most of the neck.

Lastly, total bare neck vs small bowtie should be considered a personal preference, even though the language implies bare necks are preferred in the SOP. There are breeders who like no bowtie at all, and some who prefer a small one. Both are acceptable for showing. But with the wording, it is possible that between two birds equal in everything, except one has no bowtie at all may be awarded the prize only because of the way the SOP is worded.

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

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We are.

so a completely no feathers on the neck will be allowed with out being DQ?

Yes. That would be a neck devoid of feathers.

You know, of all the crazy things, someone told someone else at a chicken gathering yesterday that Turkens began with a Turkey x Chicken cross and have been bred from there. I wasn't standing there to correct the first someone, but was able to straighten out the second someone.
edited to add: I was able to straighten out the second someone that repeated it to me.​

 

[Nava]

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I agree with others, both total bare necks or a small bowtie with few feathers on mid-neck are fine for showing.

The above quote probably means either a bird with NO naked neck at all, possible some might interpret it as including the not pures with the big bowtie with tons of feathers hiding most of the neck.

Lastly, total bare neck vs small bowtie should be considered a personal preference, even though the language implies bare necks are preferred in the SOP. There are breeders who like no bowtie at all, and some who prefer a small one. Both are acceptable for showing. But with the wording, it is possible that between two birds equal in everything, except one has no bowtie at all may be awarded the prize only because of the way the SOP is worded.

so a pure nn with no feather on the neck or maybe a couple, might beat a bow tie nn

thanks guys.

 

[Kev]

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Cielo, excellent pictures and that chick did turn out pure for NN.

Would be super if you could take pictures of your pure NN next to non-pure NN to show others the differences at hatching? It's way clearer on yours than in my pictures.

 

[Kev]

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I agree with others, both total bare necks or a small bowtie with few feathers on mid-neck are fine for showing.

The above quote probably means either a bird with NO naked neck at all, possible some might interpret it as including the not pures with the big bowtie with tons of feathers hiding most of the neck.

Lastly, total bare neck vs small bowtie should be considered a personal preference, even though the language implies bare necks are preferred in the SOP. There are breeders who like no bowtie at all, and some who prefer a small one. Both are acceptable for showing. But with the wording, it is possible that between two birds equal in everything, except one has no bowtie at all may be awarded the prize only because of the way the SOP is worded.

so a pure nn with no feather on the neck or maybe a couple, might beat a bow tie nn?

Yes possible IF a judge interprets the standard as saying that no feather is preferable to bowtie. It's the part "small bow tie is permissible" could be interpreted as "not ideal, but acceptable".

I would not worry about the bowtie vs no bowtie TOO much as long as the bird is overall excellent. The only "problem" might be a judge who might be a real stickler for NO bowtie at all and the only show able birds you have all have bowties & someone else brings birds with no bowties. But a "fair" judge should award an excellent bird with bowtie over a mediocre bird with no bowtie at all. Judges ultimately are still only people with possibly differing interpretations of a standard.

The only thing is not to take a bird with a honkin' big bowtie with feathers covering up all of lower front neck to a show.

Probably it included that wording similar to concept as in "do not bring black or splash version of Blue Andalusian to a show" (afaik, only blues are acceptable at shows yet breeding them ultimately produces blacks and splashes...).

 

[Kev]

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Excellent report. Yep, plucking pure NN is faster, not all by THAT much, especially if the non pures didn't have that much feathers in their tracts. Some lines of NN have their feathered tracts very densely packed, those can be a bit of a job. Other lines have few feathers(usually long, soft feathers) so even the non pures are easy to pluck. The pure NN do have a lot larger areas of smooth skin. Some have almost only a sharpie-marker line of pin feathers down their back, lower halves of their legs(above hock joint) etc. The tail and wing feathers still are just as hard to pull out..