Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Knock Kneed Hen]

Banjoejoe4783 You may note that I used the term 'pure' in parentheses. As a chicken which is very like the modern NN chicken has been recognised in the States since at least 1810,  in Europe from the 18th century,and in Malaysia since the 17th century, and breeds absolutely true, I believe it more than fair to call them a definite entity. (Bearing in mind that many recognised varieties of chicken have only been recognised since the 19th Century, and some e.g Blue Partridge Brahma don't exactly breed true). From now on I'll call these 'pure'.

One theory is that the modern NN was developed in Madagascar in the 17th or 18th century from a cross between the Ga Noi game fowl and what is described as a 'common fowl'. This is not the only theory, though, as another claims they originated in Malaysia in the 17th century as a cross between the Malgache Game Fowl and another unspecified.Yet another claims origin in Hungary in the 18th century.

The term "Naked Neck" is somewhat confusing as it can refer either to the 'pure' form or birds who have a reduced neck and body feathering, but may have one parent who is e.g (as in my case) Brahma. Still described as 'Naked Neck', but really Hybrid Naked Neck.

There are LF and bantam varieties of the 'pure' Naked Neck chicken....and these may be homozygous for the incompletely dominant allele located on chromosome 3 leading to feather suppression (Na/Na) or heterozygous (Na/na+), with the homozygotes having a completely naked neck or just a few feathers and the heterozygotes having a larger 'bow tie'. Homozygote parents will have very naked necks and produce 100% offspring with the same very naked necks. 

If any genetics gurus would like to chip in, please do!

This IS very confusing. One would think that a term would be used for a pure NN (lets call that a Turken) and a hybrid (Naked Neck) OR vice versa. When talking shop it's often confusing. I assume when I'm purchasing NN's that I'm purchasing a 'pure' bird. What I've discovered though is that some are and some aren't. This would be a topic for the Naked Neck club to put on the table. Did anything come of that? (the club?). My two cents, which is really only worth a half a cent.

 

[onemomof4]

The truth is that NN is a trait and not a breed the sop has the nn as a breed but they could have NNs of any breed or color just ask any genetic goro and they will tell you the same Naked neck it a genetic trait and is more simular to a dominate color than breed

For examle frizzel is a trait that can be added to anny breed or color

For example silkie feathers can be breed into any breed

I could go on and on but geneticly NN is a trait not a breed

Also you say your "pure" are small ? The sop calls for cocks that are 8 1/2 lb to 9 1/2 lb sorry but that's not "small"

 

[onemomof4]

The official term is NN. The term terken is hatchery slang

 

[Kassaundra]

Here are a couple of my pics of chicks from eggs I got from banjoe. I haven't checked the leg scales yet they are sooooo tiny when they get a little bigger I'll check for that, but they are adorable whether or not they carry Sc.


This one has the lightest feather colors


Here are the lightest and medium colored ones


and the lightest and darkest.


This one is the darkest feather and skin color her skin is so dark it shines blue.


This is my fav pic so far gotta loooooooooooooooove those eye feathers!!!!!!!!!!! lol lol

 

[draye]

Should I do some Showgirls next year? I've got Silkies now.
Probably not.

 

[Kassaundra]

Should I do some Showgirls next year? I've got Silkies now.
Probably not.

Why? or Why not??

 

[BackyardCoop]

My naked neck mixed hen "Naked Neck" died the other night. I am so so so much sader than I thought I would be! She was a sweet, sweet girl.https://www.backyardchickens.com/image/id/7463962/width/400/flags/LL

So sorry to hear this. I know it's hard.

 

[banjoejoe4783]

The truth is that NN is a trait and not a breed the sop has the nn as a breed but they could have NNs of any breed or color just ask any genetic goro and they will tell you the same Naked neck it a genetic trait and is more simular to a dominate color than breed
For examle frizzel is a trait that can be added to anny breed or color
For example silkie feathers can be breed into any breed
I could go on and on but geneticly NN is a trait not a breed
Also you say your "pure" are small ? The sop calls for cocks that are 8 1/2 lb to 9 1/2 lb sorry but that's not "small"

verry true genetly the NAKED NECK is more like a trait

it is HOWEVER a showable " breed " and is in the APA SOP the officail term is naked neck
reconized colors are RED--BLACK--BUFF--WHITE they are defanatly NOT a small LF they SOP has them at 8 1/2 lb witch is heavier than dominques by a 1 1/2 lb and the same as a wyandottes,Rhode island red ,delawares ex ex ex i would not consider them "small" anny NN that comes from a hatchery "they call them turkens witch is just slang for muut NN " or anny color not in the SOP could not be "called pure"

but in my opinyon they are a trait and should be in the sop as such just like frizzels witch can be shown in anny breed and anny color in fack the frizzel genetics work a lot like the NN geen they are both incoplet domanet. homozigouse frizzels are called "frazzels " and are not disierable but the genetics act in allmost the verry same way but this is just my opinyon

 

[banjoejoe4783]

kass - good looking chicks if you seend me pics of the side of there legs i will let you know if they carry the scaless geen or not

 

[Kassaundra]

I'll try and get Gary to help me to get leg pics tonight. Getting a good enough focus while holding a chick that just wants to get back to momma is not easy.