Kass I hardly think that you ruffled any feathers !!! In my case anyway. But it seems to me that I have seen several adverts here and one of them was a hatchery in Texas and the ad was a healiner on BYCI think my comment was misunderstood, I did not mean to insult the hatchery they are from, or to infer you vamakos were somehow lying. I was pointing out that the information the hatchery provided about thier birds in no way portrayed them as faster maturing then any other pure NN, and that is to the hatcheries credit, that the hatchery stated these are slow growing rather then what most people would think of as a "nn broiler" which in my thinking would imply you were looking for a NN that matured quicker like a "meat chicken".