New Horse saved from slaughter (New spring Pics)

I would gladly show you some wonderful examples of slaughter horses that were rehabbed and are now showing successfully. Not every $10 rescue will forever be a $10 rescue. My $200 rescue that I've had for three years is a wonderful boy that's not going anywhere.

Also,.. perhaps if horse breeders didn't have a market for all the culls they would focus more on QUALITY and less on quantity. QUANTITY has been the name of the game for years, especially in certain breeds (breed clubs) AQHA has been particularly terrible. They have supported slaughter as an outlet for 'culls' for years,.. but this is the same breed club that still allows n/h horses to be bred when they could have eliminated this disorder in their registry by preventing the breeding of any horse that isn't n/n. The skin disorder (which I can't remember the name of) is another problem, and they aren't preventing known carriers (stallion who produce it, etc) from being bred either.

The answer is preventing breeders from making money off of culls. Reduce the outlet, reduce the production.
 
Sorry BossRoo, but what lost your client his money was an overly inflated market to begin with and waaaaaay too much breeding for the demand that there was in the beginning. Your client did the responsible thing by his horse, his family and the market and he should be proud of that, and his sacrifice should in no way overshadow what the OP did in rescuing this paint. The paint going under the knife and into a can would not sell your client's stud services or give homes to the horses that are now running loose. Many of us have lost money in a market that was fickle, overrated and overinflated to begin with. We also need to start looking at why we do what we do withour horses to begin with: I bought an imported mare and have invested my money behind her training, first and foremost, because I LIKE her. I know that is an incredible concept to some folks, but I was under no delusions of grandeur where she was concerned. She has superb bloodlines and while she won't be the next eventing star at Rolex, she is and will continue to be a 2nd level dressage horse and a fairly decent jumper. If the market recovers, I might breed her, and if not, I will consider my money well spent on a nice individual that I can trust around my husband and visitors to the farm. Anybody who spends a ton of money on horses looking to make profit back on their investment is almost always barking up the wrong tree anyway; very few of the top players in the game can even pull that off. There had better be a LOT of love of the game involved because there is loss a great deal of the time.

Also, to go along with that idea of overbreeding, there was someone else who posted under another thread about getting a cheap horse but it's not halter broke. I say to other people who breed or have bred in the past, WHAT IS THAT?!?! They can take the time to make babies and they sure do want to sell them for mega money, but they can't even be bothered to halter break them enough so they can be led off the property or loaded into a trailer??? I've imprinted the babies I've bred and have had them on the trailer already at 72 hours old. It's awfully hard to sell prospects bred of something famous for showing if it can't even be moved to its new home in a reasonable manner. The illusion of it being a future show star is hard to maintain when it has to be chased up a chute into a truck. People, it's time to get off that office chair where you are publishing elaborate websites and ads for your stallions and train some of their get so they can at least be led off the farm! It ISN'T that hard to do when they are babies! Get rid of the antiquated excuse of "but they perform better if we let them just be horses" because that idea has already been proven wrong.

And I agree with the poster who said the AQHA and the APHA are to blame for a lot of this. All that "America's Horse" marketing crud they've shoveled down people's throats for the last I-don't-even-know-how-many years now sure has a double edge to it, now that it's America having this problem with their horses. All of America has to figure out what to do with the problem. In my opinion, the thoroughbred registry can't claim innocent either...has anyone ever heard of ANYONE who breeds Thoroughbreds strictly to perform in other disciplines and not to race? I haven't. They breed as many horses as possible so MAYBE one will make it to the big time. That's an awful lot of horses being doomed to die or to have hopes of them all being rescued/rehomed.

I REALLY don't think the OP is part of the problem at all... she is part of the only solution we have readily available to it at this time. I had a name I thought of, but I've forgotten it now because I've gotten too mad reading about the rescuer getting blamed here. If I think of it, I'll post it later.
 
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My father was a large animal Vet and I have been in the horse breeding business for 40 years, So I have seen many of the ins and outs of the equine business. I breed spareingly and responsibly for top quality. Example: I imported a yearling filly whose sire was the undefeated stallion at the 1981 Sonon du Cheval in Paris, France and out of his own mother. He then sold at public auction for $3.2 mil. In the 20 years that I owned her I bred her for 5 top quality foals that I sold internationally. My stallion ( now exported) is her son , whose father is the top race horse ( winner of the Great Summer Prize [ akin to the Kentucky derby]), top halter winner, graded ELITE in Russian stud book after progeny testing. His full brother was the Chief breeding stallion in Poland whose progey are top race winners, top international show winners and many sold for record prices at auction. The biggest contributors to the overbreeding problem are the know it all star eyed back yard breeders that think that their mare and/ or stallion is top quality. In the greatest majority of cases their horses are poor examples of the breed conformationally. Most don't come close to the written breed standard . Their claim to fame is usually their great gandfather won at the local show. Yet, they are of top quality in the owner's barn blind eyes and are bred to similar quality. Yes, there are a number of show winners that were rescued from the slaughter house, but are they breeding quality? Also, I have seen a number of large farms with get rich schemes that market to moneyed individuals with no knowledge of conformation quality who then continue to breed these same purchased horses and end up with culls. I have seen quite a few TBs after the race meet that failed to win sell for $100 or less to horse trainers ( I know of one with 20 of these TBs) that turned out to do well in local shows or the hunter/ jumper world, but are not of breeding quality. Yet, the new barn blind owners breed them with the intention their daughter campaining the offspring to greatness.
 
Aloha,

With a little TLC your chestnut will thrive. I am glad that you rescued him. Even animals deserve a holiday miracle. Congratulations!


Here are some possible names:

1) Himala (mircale)
2)Subasta (auction)
3) Regalo (gift)
4) Painted miracle
5) Tiny Tim (since he his a small horse)
6) Evade (since he "evaded" death)
 
Hm.

I'm not sure that I really believe that giveaway horses 'devalue' other horses in any way that is unique to today or to the last couple years - or even that they devalue sale horses in general. If 'free horses' devalue a given group of horses, the seller probably needs to get into a higher segment of the marketplace.

In slow economic times, it's always hard to sell horses, any horses. Sales have been slow since 9/11, according to a number of people I talk to in the business, but this is at all levels of the business. Sure, there are some 'recession proof buyers', trust fund babies, but even given that, the top segments of the market are slow now too.

There are ALWAYS a lot of freebies around, but there are more during tough times. I'm not sure it really changes the market, except at the lowest segment.

There are always free horses, cheap horses, and poor quality horses. Always.

But nor do I believe, that horses are always homeless or going to the cutters because they are 'inferior'. I don't really believe that, when some top sport horses are winding up at the killers. It's not all about quality.

There are MANY reasons horses wind up at the kill market.

No, most of these don't start by selling their horse to the killers - they sell the horse to 'a nice person', but it's a downhill trip, and if they thought about it, they'd realize they're sending this horse on a one way trip.

An average horse, no training, nothing special about him, he isn't going anywhere good. As a trainer told me, 'I buy him for five hundred dollars, I put two thousand into him, and I have a five hundred dollar horse'. That isn't 100%, of course, but much of the market is about very, very superficial things - desirable color, a cute little head, dumb stuff, that sells horses. And if he ain't that, he ain't appealing.

Neither is the lame one going anywhere good. He has no future either. Sure, you might think 'what a nice person' you're selling him to. Trust me - the only way to be sure what kind of home a horse has, is to keep it yourself.

A great many horses going to the killers are going there because they were injured or lame, and the owner did not want to support them for years. So they sell them 'down the hill' and they just keep going down the hill. The seller conceals the lameness and gets the horse sold, and walks away. The horse gets a one way trip to he**.

A great many other horses are going to the killers because they are ruined by someone who thought they could train a horse 'DIY'. The biggest part of most horse's value, is TRAINING. TRAINING. Many horses, if they are not trained, they have no usefulness to anyone. These folks always don't feel they need lessons, they don't listen to anyone, and when they fail, when the horse embarasses or scares them, it's the horse's fault and away goes the horse. Often simply to save face, and not just money, THAT horse also gets a one way trip to he**. People overestimate their abilities. Guess who pays? The horse.

I'm not really sure the race track is such a huge part of the problem, it is one part, sure but don't over-emphasize it to deflect responsibility from other people. There are far fewer race horses being bred these days. And race horses very often are rather useful for a good many other professions, as long as they don't land in a place where the people are incompetent to retrain them.

I'm not so very sure the 'backyard breeder' is really the whole problem. I'm really not sure I believe that. First of all, there are fewer and fewer backyard people every year. It's getting so a lot of people can't afford to keep a horse, even in a really primitive way. If they don't get vaccines, shoeing, feed them well, fence them well, the chances of them doing so without being noticed are smaller and smaller all the time. A lot of back yarders have gotten closed down. The country is just a little too crowded and a little too expensive.

I've looked back and traced some horses that were in a bad way, and they actually were not from backyard breeders at all - they were from mid-level breeders who had nice to average stock. They weren't poor quality at all. Some had been riding school horses at a girl's school for years - pampered pets. The minute they went lame they were out the door and down the hill. Some others were nice kid's horses, til they got sick or lame, then they had to go.

Those mid level breeders also had a lot of culls, culls they didn't actually CULL, but should have. Babies with crooked legs, babies with temperament so bad they would have been put down by a responsible person before anyone tried to break 'em, things like that. Stock with twisted backs, with severe leg deformities, that are already showing stress even as weanlings....they sell them to someone instead of doing the right thing.

They also sold their stock to people they shouldn't have sold to. People who clearly, obviously, had no business getting a baby, an unbroke horse, and trying to 'DIY'. They are not dumb, these people. They realize it, you can tell from how people talk about horses, how they walk around them, it's not rocket science.

This isn't really a 'someone else's problem'. It's no good pointing the finger at the other guy. Everyone is in this one. Everyone who ever buys or sells or breeds.

And still, yes, the answer to 'should I breed' is always - yes - always - a resounding, 'No you should not'. Really. it is. That's all there really is to that.

And no, to be honest, I don't feel the person who gives the home to the unwanted horse is the 'problem', actually. He's at the end of a very, very long chain, of a great many people who fail to act responsibly.
 
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Bigggggg high five to you for saving him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great job and GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!! He is so lucky....what a cutie!!!! You could name him Lucky or Streak or JJ or Strike. Or maybe Nike......that would be a cute name. Again.....good for you!!!!!!!!!!!
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Still haven't picked a name for him but please keep them coming there are some really good ones and I will let everyone know what name we pick. We do NOT plan to breed him, we are getting him gelded is soon as we can. I will be the one training him, I think he will make a nice cart horse but will be trained to ride as well. He is sound, my dad was a farrier and has checked him over. He is very calm and smart, he already knows that when I say "back" hes to back up. Food is a big motivater for him but I have to be careful or hes going to think that whenever he does something good or bad he gets a treat, he can get dangerous that way and I don't want him to start biting people becouse he thinks they have treats. Thanks for all of the encouragement, it means a lot!
 

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