North Carolina ban to Kill Numerous Breeds

[goofy98]

i have 2 great dane and i think they are the best dogs ever

 

[Tracydr]

Terrible that they have to link all these different breeds. Breeds like dobermans and boxers ( boxers are often mistaken for pits) are some of the best family dogs.
I do have to say I've probably done more stitches on people badly bitten by pitbullls than any other breed. They may get bitten by a chihuahua ( I have one of those, too) but the little dogs don't cause anywhere near the damage of a pitbull.
Breed specific laws are just terrible laws, IMO.

 

[al6517]

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Couldn't agree more!

I agree, a lot of the "problem" is caused by the media.

There were a couple of hound mixes in town running loose that attacked somebody and were labeled pit bulls by the media. A vet at the county shelter made the newspaper print a retraction.

I do understand that in most cases the fault of raising aggressive pit bulls does fall upon the owners, but trying to get them to man up and do the right thing is probably futile at best. I think it would be a great idea if the more responsible pit owners banned together and created a movement of some sort on their own and clean up their own ranks so to speak, and police their own. I know it seems far fetched but what are the alternatives ??, they will just keep making law's like this one and cause more issues.

 

[dainerra]

I'll say again, the article cited in the original post had some misinformation. A lot of the breeds mentioned aren't being considered.

Rottweilers
American Staffordshire Terriers
Pit bulls
Chows
Presa Canarios
Any mix of the breeds above

Not that it is good that ANY breed is on the list, but emails from people who have the wrong information make it harder for the movement against this mandate.

Pits are just the breed of the moment. Remember when it was the Dobe? I grew up hearing that a dobie could never be trusted because their brains grow too big for their skulls and they go insane. The movement is already going away from pits and towards mastiff breeds and presa canarios.

The fault of aggressive pits isn't really on anyone but the bad breeders. While there may be a few pits who would always have temperament issues, it was always a good bet that they would be dog aggressive, but fine with people, even when in extreme pain. People who wanted to cash in on the hype crossed in other breeds, again usually mastiffs or similar breeds.

Do you know that a "real" pitbull only weighs about 45lbs? Again, bad breeders added in mastiffs and other breeds to increase size and aggressiveness.

The alternatives are public education. Educate those buying the dogs, any breed, and teach them to research what the dog should be and how to find a good breeder. Hold the media accountable for providing correct information, no sensational "PIT BULL ATTACKS ELDERLY WOMAN" headlines when the true story is that the lady fell over her yappy poodle mix that was growling at the pitbull. (Yes, that is a real headline and situation). Hold owners responsible for their dogs. Enforce leash laws, dangerous dog laws, all the laws that are already on the books before you start adding new laws.

There is no bandaid fix for the problem. A multi-prong approach of education and enforcement, with a healthy dose of common sense.

 

[dainerra]

oh, a friend forwarded this on to another forum that I am on. The response is from the AKC
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Thank you for contacting us. I spoke with the Cumberland County Animal Control today, as well as County staff, and have been informed that there is no breed ban going into effect on December 5. The local Animal Control Board (which is an advisory board) met on October 3 and made a recommendation to limit the adoption of Rottweilers, Am Staffs, “Pit Bulls”, Chows, Presa Canarios, and “any mix of these breeds”, but it is my understanding that no policy has been officially brought before the County Commission for approval. County staff informed me today that the issue will not be on the County Commission agenda at their December 5 meeting.

We have also learned that the Animal Control Board will also meet on December 5. It is unknown what will be on their agenda. If they decide to bring forward this recommendation again, it must then be sent to the County Commission Policy Committee and then the full Board of Commissioners for approval before it can become law.

I would recommend letting the County Commission know that you are concerned with breed specific legislation and ask them politely to oppose any proposal they may encounter that would discriminate against specific breeds of dogs.

If you have any other questions, or I can provide further information or assistance, please don’t hesitate to contact me directly. Please repost this to any lists where this issue is being discussed.

Regards,

Jennifer Clark
Manager, Canine Legislation
American Kennel Club
8051 Arco Corporate Drive, Suite 100
Raleigh, North Carolina 27617
Phone: (919) 816-3720
Fax: (919) 816-4275
E-mail: [email protected]
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[halo]

I have to agree with Al. There are so many pit attacks here in Florida, some fatal. I dont care if its not the dogs fault, if its the owners fault, they are still too dangerous. In my farming neighborhood, we all have a shoot first and ask questions later, if any pits show up. So many of the attacks have the same story, the dog had never hurt anyone, it was a sweet dog, wouldnt hurt a flea...and just suddenly turned on someone. And its always pits or pit mixes. Theres a county down in south Florida where its illegal to even own one.

 

[Matthew3590]

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Are you sure they are pits? Not going against your judgement but I know people who can't tell a boxer from a pit bull.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html good way to test to see if you can tell a pit from another dog.

 

[dainerra]

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or a lab from a pit. Or a mastiff. Basically, if it has floppy ears and looks muscular, then it's a pit.

shoot, people have trouble figuring out what my german shepherds are. Poor Singe gets called a coyote on a regular basis

 

[PurpleChicken]

Al, long time old buddy. Been meaning to drop you a pm.

My first experience with a Pitt was in 93 when one of my friends bought one from a questionable breeder. When the dog hit 2 years old it became very aggressive towards his girlfriend and he had to put it down, even after calling in professional trainers. He loved this dog and was heartbroken. The same year another friend had a litter stolen by street thugs because they were Pitts. Luckily we recovered those puppies.

5 years ago a Sh*tzu bit a young man I was very fond of. The Sh*tzu was child aggressive and was put down.

15 years ago I was bit in the back of the leg twice, by a poodle. The news media didn't show up to do a story on that.

All breeds have issues and the occasional defect(I suspect Al's case) but there is always that one easy target breed, mostly because of bad owners. Pitts have held that title for the last 20 years. Before that it was Rotties, German Shepards, and Dobis.

Halo, if Florida killed off that entire breed the idiots who raised them would soon destroy a generation of another breed and you will have the same problems with them. There have been a few BYC members through the years that have lost entire flocks to stray and roaming Pitts and that's sad. There are others who have lost flocks to other breeds as well.

I have a Pitt mix. He's the most submissive dog I have ever had.

I just spent a few days visiting someone on this thread who has Staffordshire Terriers. Those dogs are among the smartest and well mannered pooches I have ever encountered.

I'll end with saying that this year I lost 3 birds to a predator. What kind of predator? A Chihuahua. I witnessed one of the attacks.

 

[ChickenfootDuckbutt]

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or a lab from a pit. Or a mastiff. Basically, if it has floppy ears and looks muscular, then it's a pit.

shoot, people have trouble figuring out what my german shepherds are. Poor Singe gets called a coyote on a regular basis

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I have to agree with Al. There are so many pit attacks here in Florida, some fatal. I dont care if its not the dogs fault, if its the owners fault, they are still too dangerous. In my farming neighborhood, we all have a shoot first and ask questions later, if any pits show up. So many of the attacks have the same story, the dog had never hurt anyone, it was a sweet dog, wouldnt hurt a flea...and just suddenly turned on someone. And its always pits or pit mixes. Theres a county down in south Florida where its illegal to even own one.

I would like to point out that one of my cousins lived in Florida for several years and she said that not ONLY is Florida bad about envasive reptile species, but some places are also HUGE hubs for cock and dog fights.

even so, MOST of the so called pitbull attacks are actually LAB mixes, several years ago a local boy was attacked by a "pitbull", the dog was a lab/hound mix who was under-socialized and used for hunting.

I would be more inclined to be mis-trustful of a German shepherd (no offense Dainerra), or a lab then I would a pit, or a cane corso, or a mastiff

german shepherds are never looked at, because, hey, police dog, right?, what about that dog when it retires?, those dogs are trained to BITE, and they're not trained to control their bite strength either, nobody lifted a finger when a retired police dog of 8 years got loose one day in a town close to me and attacked two men who were helping their elderly mother move into a retirement home.​