Yeah, or you hold the mother but the kids eat every few hours. Usually first time Nubian moms need to be held still but to be sure baby gets colostrum, if mom is being difficult I just milk her and bottle feed baby so it gets a good start. The moms seem to figure it out after a day or so of being forced into it. Usually the meat goats don't have those issues. Sometimes Nubian babies don't get the hang of walking for days. The meat goats are following ma around usually the first day. I have used several different kiko bucks and never had issues with kids dying unless mom didn't clean off the sack, or sometimes they lay on them. We had three sets of triplets this spring. One of those mothers laid on one kid. One refused to feed a little doeling, and the kiko mom raised all three herself. We have never had quads. I love how the goats clear the brush and weeds out of the pastures. Goats are terrific pets too, quite smart.;-)