Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

[marndt0579]

How do i tell the difference in a shamo and a malay ,asel ?

 

[Illia]

Shamos are larger, more upright, and generally have a pretty vertical appearance but with good muscle and a broad body.

Asils are much smaller, more compact in appearance but can vary, and in temperament are much more "unruly" towards other chickens.

Malays have a different comb type, usually a higher set tail, often but not always less muscle tone, and more leg length vs rest of the body. Their size can range but is from slightly smaller than a Shamo to larger than a Shamo.

Most Shamos are pretty restricted in color, Asils come in many colors and many shapes but do often still follow the general Oriental Game look, and Malays are more like a long-legged but showy bird. Because Malays aren't exactly bred for the same purpose, they're the lesser "serious" looking bird but still amazing. Asils are the most "you don't want to mess with it" looking but are seriously quite small in person. Often you can identify one from the other two though by shorter legs, neck, and much shorter face.

 

[marndt0579]

Is this a shamo?10 months old

 

[Illia]

If it is, by breed/show standards, it's a very poor type one. I don't think it is one.

 

[gallo4319]

he looks more aseel to me.
some people doesnt know there are some very large aseel in the states and for this fact they confuse the breed with shamos

 

[CUDA]

Is there a moral or legal reason to breed a "game" bird? And unless you test for the trait, how do you breed a game bird?

If you don't want to deal with the proper breeding of games, nobody is forcing you to own them. Trying to start trouble on here doesn't accomplish anything. Anyone that is well versed in the breed "Shamo" for example, would understand that if it isn't game, it isn't a Shamo. Gameness is a huge part of the breed, and if it's not there, they are a poor excuse for the breed, no matter how good they look. Also the SOP is for poultry shows, Oriental games have been around long before that was even written.

 

[Gresh]

Is this a shamo?10 months old

Looks like a very poor Malay to me. If I'm seeing the pic right, it looks like a walnut/strawberry comb on his head. I once saw a picture of a Malay from IDEAL Poultry that looked a lot like this bird. Handsome colors, but not, under any circumstances, a purebred Malay

Do you know where he came from?

 

[pride&joy]

According to my morals if it is going to be called game it needs to be game and all the confirmation in the world won’t keep it from being junk or soup. Game fowl is like any other working livestock if it is not game it is something other than game fowl. In my opinion confirmation is a distant second behind functionality. I grew up with working games back before the AR folks started imposing their views on others. I see it a disrespect to them and all true game fowl no matter what their color or type to bunch them in with junk just b/c junk looks like what it is not. Again in my opinion it like comparison between the “occupy wall street crowd” with our brave Men an Women in our armed forces. Confirmation is probably very similar but some is junk and some is game. I know which I prefer and there is no mistaking the difference. Again just my opinion still allowed to have those last I checked?

 

[The Pet Peddler]

Hey, is this where I prove my manhood (gameness)? Oh what...this is a chicken thread, my bad... Cmon now, this place was a fun place to visit now we have to prove how big our - - - - is, I meant ego? Anybody got a GameOmeter I can borrow? How does one measure gameness and by whose standards? If I take a meat cleaver and cut off an aseels head and it squawks as I do it then it wasn't very game? Ok, I have a marans cockerel that is just as game (LMAO) as my brazilian aseels. Now the cockers I know are going to blame it on poor breeding of the brazilians, yeah I've heard it before, junk blah, blah ,blah...so what's new? Then does that mean that my marans is disqualified to be shown as such cause he displays too much gameness and I should enter him into the WSC? He wasn't bred for gameness, but he is, does that mean I have to go around proving it and if so, what for... he's still going to be a marans. I guess I could give him a cool name like widowmaker or samurai, how's about "The Intimidator"? Funny how some breeders are under the impression that when they have it it's worth gold and when someone else has it it's junk. The very best breeder I ever, ever, spoke with and met said this, "boy, breed whatever makes you happy cause at the end of the day that's all that matters". By the way, my marans gamecock is for sale for $1,500 + shipping and I'm also selling ocean front property exclusively to cockers.

 

[The Pet Peddler]

As far as the comparison with wall street and war, I have to disagree and hand it to those wall street folks. They're there no matter what!! Just cause a man/woman dresses like a soldier doesn't mean they're gonna perform like one. With all due respect, if we threw all them "brave men/women" back into war against their will over and over, a great percentage WILL quit and run home. Really, why aren't they all out there looking for wars to fight in right now if that's what they were bred for? If I set the standards...then they aren't brave/game enough period. IMO, unless this is a sanctioned event/forum or you are buying birds to fight, it shouldn't matter if someone else's bird is not game and they're excited/proud to share pictures with evrryone. Here's a challenge if you are "GAME", instead of pointing out all the bad points of someone else's birds, why don't you just give them one of yours for free to get them started on the right track if in fact it's true yours are that much better? Let's make it one a month as long as you are on BYC and breeding?