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What did I do wrong?

I had 10 young birds, that I raised myself. they had loft flown 8-12 times. I took them on their first tiss, where I take all my birds for There first toss, 1\2 a mile away. This is just to give them the idea of how it do it. I released them, they circled as a group, and we headed jome. Waited and waited. It's a day later, and I got one bird back. What happened? did I rush them? I was watching the sky like a hawk, and it as perfectly clear, so I doubt I missed an 'overfly'.if

the one I got back is apparently the best bird. But every single one I tossed had bloodline proven 600 miles. some had the famous "720" blood in them. I'm not saying that my birds can't get lost because their good, but more rollers would have made it back from that distance then what I have gotten back.
8-12 times? what was your rush??? That's barely more than a week of flying. They should be routing for at least a good week or so before you try tossing them. Granted, it is only a half mile as you say, but it still serves no purpose to do tosses when they are so young. You might still get some back in the coming days. It's possible that a hawk scattered them after release, so there's no knowing where they went. You should try flying your old birds to see if it drags any in.
 
developed areas are a BIG factor in pigeon navigation. :idunno This is not MY THEORY, but has been circulated as an idea throughout this whole pigeon forum threads.
I wonder too. There are a couple microwave towers, along with cell towers that are popping up all around, so who knows. If it gets bad, who knows what I'll raise next... Nothing can replace homers. But, I can always do good old loft flys.
BP, :hugs for some reason, I get a feeling that you will get a few more of them back. Ether return on their own, or someone will contact you with " pigeon found"
I have gotten one more. That's number two. Hopefully I'll get a few more. I'm checking craigslist a bit.
8-12 times? what was your rush??? That's barely more than a week of flying.
I'm sorry, I should have made myself more clear. They had been out 25+ times, but alot before they were flying good, and mostly were on the ground. They had a good week of flying though. As far as routing, my birds never route. They never have, and I doubt ever will. They circle tightly over the coop. They will fly for 2 hours that way, it never go out of my sight. why do you think this is? My old birds now are only flying about 15 minutes before landing now. From what I've read, the old birds don't fly as good as the YB. Is this true? How would in get theme back to flying the way they did? My plan was to fly the YB separate from the OB.

As far as my rush, nothing. They seemed ready, and most fancier that I read about (in the magizine "The Racing Pigeon Digest") are tossing their birds 5 miles by week 7. And 20 miles by week 10.
They should be routing for at least a good week or so before you try tossing them.
what if they never route?
but it still serves no purpose to do tosses when they are so young.
why? That's when they can build a lot of muscle? It thought short ones were beneficial when young.
You should try flying your old birds to see if it drags any in.
I have. They haven't yet.
 
I wonder too. There are a couple microwave towers, along with cell towers that are popping up all around, so who knows. If it gets bad, who knows what I'll raise next... Nothing can replace homers. But, I can always do good old loft flys.
I have gotten one more. That's number two. Hopefully I'll get a few more. I'm checking craigslist a bit.
I'm sorry, I should have made myself more clear. They had been out 25+ times, but alot before they were flying good, and mostly were on the ground. They had a good week of flying though. As far as routing, my birds never route. They never have, and I doubt ever will. They circle tightly over the coop. They will fly for 2 hours that way, it never go out of my sight. why do you think this is? My old birds now are only flying about 15 minutes before landing now. From what I've read, the old birds don't fly as good as the YB. Is this true? How would in get theme back to flying the way they did? My plan was to fly the YB separate from the OB.

As far as my rush, nothing. They seemed ready, and most fancier that I read about (in the magizine "The Racing Pigeon Digest") are tossing their birds 5 miles by week 7. And 20 miles by week 10.
what if they never route?
why? That's when they can build a lot of muscle? It thought short ones were beneficial when young.

I have. They haven't yet.
I have NEVER had young birds which didn't route, so this is extremely strange to hear. The only thing which comes to mind is that there is a bird or 2 on the ground or roof which aren't flying... but if this was happening, the others wouldn't be flying so long (they would be coming down and landing a lot sooner). What does your terrain look like? is there a lot of tall trees surrounding your yard? How long were these young birds flying?
Yes, many people believe in pushing them early, but I'm not in that group. In my opinion it's like sending a child to work and burning them out early in life and shortening their "career". What are your aims for the future? Are you looking to race in competitions? if so, only young bird races? or old bird races as well? If you want to do old birds as well, you have to look at longevity. Building muscle and strength in young birds is not a problem, as they love to fly and practice acrobatics in the air (mimicking hawk evasion techniques). This whole not wanting to route thing is kind of puzzling to me... I will have to think on it a while and get back to you if I come up with any thoughts.
As far as old birds only flying a short time... this is completely normal. When they are sexually mature, they have breeding, and nest making on their minds. With the old birds it will be extremely difficult to get such long loft flights out of them. For the old bird training, you will need to flag them a lot to keep them in the air (take a long pole and tie a plastic bag on the end of it and wave it around)... it scares them and they will keep flying as if they saw a hawk. It still wont keep them going as long as young birds do naturally, but it will help to extend it. Then to get further training on them, you need to do road training. It's about all you can do with old birds. Try road training the cocks when they are driving the hen on the nest (obviously leave the hens at home for this). They will be going full bore during this time to get back to their hens, and then you will see some really fast returns out of them.
 
What does your terrain look like? is there a lot of tall trees surrounding your yard? How long were these young birds flying?
Its terrible for flying birds. There are, giant pine trees near the coop. The birds love to land in them. Are whole yard is trees. the young birds would fly for a minite or two, and come back down. I never got my old group of YB, (now my OB) to fly good until I tossed them. They would be lazy until they got pushed on tosses, and did extremely long flights then.
What are your aims for the future? Are you looking to race in competitions? if so, only young bird races? or old bird races as well?
right now, my aim is to create a better line of birds, out of a good line of birds. I also want to bring color into performance. I love blue bars, and checks, but love to see some reds, whites, white flights, etc. in the air. I would love to fly competitively, mostly with OBs. But right now that isn't going to happen. The clocks are so expensive!
For the old bird training, you will need to flag them a lot to keep them in the air (take a long pole and tie a plastic bag on the end of it and wave it around)... it scares them and they will keep flying as if they saw a hawk. It still wont keep them going as long as young birds do naturally, but it will help to extend it.
I have tried that. They simply go into the top of a pine tree, and I think I hear them laugh, at me! I understand with the trees that it make training harder, but im up for the challenge. I had my YB going so good for awhile, but, they got old. My plan was to breed about 10 youngsters, fly them and toss them lots, and when they start getting old and not flying as good, choose my best two opposite sex bird and pair them together, and give away the rest to local fanciers I know. And then each spring breed my new team of 10-12.
 
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Lots of drama in the pigeon coop today. A couple days ago, I moved a little red check hen from the breeder coop to the flyer coop. Immediately, she had her eyes on a handsome blue bar male. But... He is on eggs! So, she finally impressed him, and he allows her in his box, while he is on his eggs. The hen mated to the blue bar, who laid the eggs hated this girl, and fights her like crazy. But, he stands up for both hens somewhat. I wonder which hen he will choose? Or a trio?

and then today, I moved two jet blacks out of my 5×3 coop, and put them back into the flyer loft. Well, the male had an old mate, a silver female, who had been flirting with all the other males. They had a box claimed, until I separated them I to separate coop. Once reunited, they got all excited, and the male had a good 5 minute fight with another cock for his old box back. the male won it back. and immediately, both hens think that that is their male, so he has two hens. A silver and a jet black. the silver hen (the original mate of the male) hates the new hen. So, we will see what happens.
 
Picked up three of my twelve birds yesterday. Two slates and a chocolate, very excited!
 

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