Pomeranian Goose Breed Thread

[StevenW.]

The one in the middle that is almost completely buff colored. That means the parents are split to buff (And that is not a good sign!)
I would recommend keeping that bird out of the bloodlines, True Buff Pomeranians are very very hard to find and you have some excellent stock but that buff bird showing up in their breeding is not good at all..

 

[1MrsMagoo]

Ouch: Damaged tendons probably hurt the poor thing. Well, clipping her feathers will also remove a bit of weight off that joint and take a bit of pressure off the wing as well as improve her look.

I am sure between everyone here we can rustle you up some more birds. Do you have an incubator so you can hatch eggs?

Sounds like the bird you got is a sweetheart: Good thing you rescued her!

 

[Oregon Blues]

I will have gray pom hatching eggs available next spring, but only if I can figure out how to defeat the darn crows. They destroyed all the goose eggs this spring. The goose barn promised to me still hasn't materialized.

I don't ship live birds but anyone close enough to drive over can arrange to purchase goslings.

I am NPIP, located in Central Oregon. I drive to Salem twice a year and plan to be at the fall show in Salem, so occasionally, delivery to The Valley can be arranged.

 

[WarrenHound]

Ouch: Damaged tendons probably hurt the poor thing. Well, clipping her feathers will also remove a bit of weight off that joint and take a bit of pressure off the wing as well as improve her look.

I am sure between everyone here we can rustle you up some more birds. Do you have an incubator so you can hatch eggs?

Sounds like the bird you got is a sweetheart: Good thing you rescued her!

she didn't much like us having to bind her wings up.
btw if you ever run into the problem get the type of bandaging they use on horse legs it can really hold the wing right for it to heal up if its done while they are young .

i have a hovabator incubator =] i may have to hit Oregon Blue up about some eggs in the spring if he/she manages to fight off the crows.

 

[1MrsMagoo]

WarrenHound:

I had one case of angel wing this spring and did use the vet wrap (buy it by the case since I use so much of it), but also had to use good quality medical tape over the top of it. The stuff is terribly useful, but not foolproof.

My goose got terribly depressed being kept by himself while his wings were wrapped, but if I let him out the other geese would pull all the wrappings off within minutes. It was a big trick keeping his wings wrapped long enough to make a difference. Gotta love the juvenile geese: They are like small children and have to put everything in their mouths. The game of pull the tape that ensured seemed to be a flock-wide favorite for days on end.

BTW: You won't go wrong with eggs from Oregon: All Oregon's birds are from Holderread's and the original goose is a show winner. I hope the crows can be routed since I want to be put on the egg list as well.

Oregon: Maybe if you made a small area with t-posts and welded wire fencing around the nesting boxes that you could put flight netting over the top? It may not stop the crows, but might slow them down considerably. Good luck with keeping them out and I am serious about being put on the list for eggs. Do you have a price per egg in mind?

 

[plantcityhomestead]

The one in the middle that is almost completely buff colored. That means the parents are split to buff (And that is not a good sign!)
I would recommend keeping that bird out of the bloodlines, True Buff Pomeranians are very very hard to find and you have some excellent stock but that buff bird showing up in their breeding is not good at all..

WarrenHound, thanks for sharing the photos of Lock(Lucy). Good to hear she has the great personality Poms are known for.

StevenW, I know nothing about breeding. What does it mean that the parents are "split to buff?" A couple of my my goslings have the same problem, but are gray.

I have something new in one of the goslings that I have never seen before. The goslings are starting to get their primary flight feathers. Most of them are doing fine without much drooping, but one of them is developing asymmetrically. She (I think) has a very over sized wing on one side. It extends past her tail and is very droopy. The other side has not started developing the primary feathers at all. I will try to get a photo tomorrow. She did not cooperate today. She seems to tire easily and prefers to lie down so she doesn't have to support the wing. She is one of the smallest of the goslings. I don't want to separate her, but I am at a loss about what to do. She free ranges all day long and gets niacin in her morning feed.

 

[plantcityhomestead]

This was originally posted by Oregon Blues in another thread. I am copying it here, because it has lots of good information.

If I am the list expert on Pomeranians, we are all in trouble. Information is difficult to come by. I was fortunate enough to stand face to face with Dave Holderread and soak up his information on Pomeraninas (when I was buying from his flock dispersal).

I bought an entire flock of top quality birds from another flock dispersal, just to keep them together. It frightens me how few people are breeding quality Pomeranians and every time a flock is dispersed, more good stock is lost forever.

A very quick and basic lesson on breeding show animals, no matter what kind.

Decide what you want them to be. Each generation, keep the ones who come closest to your goals. Pet home the ones who are furthest from your goals. Each generation, your birds (or show dogs or show horses, or whatever you are breeding) should be a little better than the last generation.

The SOP will tell you what they should look like. You have to decide what else they should be.

Me, I set high priority on temperament and health. Bad temperament or health issues get a bird removed from the breeding flock. My geese are expected to hatch and raise their own goslings. Ganders are expected to be good fathers. Goslings must grow well with standard feeding and care; no specialized treatment to compensate.

Pomeranians should be a premium table bird, so I give preference to birds with large breasts. Yes, I eat my Geese and test how they are on the table.

With breeding registered animals, there is a ton of information in the pedigree. We don't get that with poultry. So you have to keep your own records. Note where your birds are less than perfect and keep track of how often they pass that trait along. Note where they are exceptionally good and how often they pass that along. Birds who do not improve themselves with each generation can be pet homed.

 

[plantcityhomestead]

Another good post from Oregon Blues:

If you have a goose who produces real quality, hang onto her. If she has really lovely daughters, you still need to breed the daughters to be sure that they also produce quality offspring.

If you have a goose who has serious faults, then replace her with younger better birds as soon as you have tested to make sure they produce good offspring.

Some of it is trying to better the breed, but some of it in older breeds is to try to maintain the quality of old. Or even get back up to the quality level of old.

With the ganders, you pay attention to what he sires and with which goose. He might be a "nick" for one goose and not do very well with another. If he sires great goslings for you, you keep him. If he sires too many mediocre goslings, you replace him with something better.

Removing birds from the breeding flock might mean re-homing, sending them to the freezer, or simply removing them to another pen and replacing the eggs in their nests with eggs from a better bird, or with eggs sired by a better gander.

I get really attached to my geese, and there are ways to keep them out of the breeding pool, and keep them happy.

 

[StevenW.]

Quote:
That means the parents have buff in their genes but only show the "Pomeranian" pattern. But when bred together you will get an all buff bird in the mix. The genes from both parents have to be the same to get the all Buff colored bird. Those birds will be just like a Pomeranian, but they won't have the Coloring, IMO those birds would need to be culled from the Breeding Program.


I hope Oregon Blues has more information on this than I do..

 

[1MrsMagoo]

This is how it was explained to me:
Buff is a sexlinked recessive gene in geese.
If you mate a buff gander to a grey female you should get 100% buff females and 100% grey males.
If you mate a grey gander (not carrying buff) to a buff female you should get 100% grey offspring, but the males are carrying the buff gene. If you mate them to a grey female you should get 50% buff females. Mating a split to buff male to a buff female will result in buff offspring, but I am not sure if it is 100%...I think it is.

A female always shows the buff gene if she has it (unless she is white), a male can be a carrier while not showing it.

Also see the goose calculator via http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm#ganscalculator

BTW their are solid color Pomeranians: They are just not admitted to the A.P.A. standard (see photo of a remnant flock of Brian Paul Witts birds below). Also, being a Pomeranian is more than the saddleback pattern and color. It is the single lobe, size, blue eyes, and bill/leg color.