Post Your Chocolates, Dun ,Khaki , Platinum Bird Pics

[smoothmule]

If I take some photos of these "weird" birds, could someone give me a relatively dumbed down idea of what is happening? I tried to do research on dun or chocolate laced blue. Many said it doesn't exist and others state it does. It's very conflicting information.

I don't believe that chocolate or dun laced blue is possible but go ahead and post. What you have to consider is this, take a black hen as an example. Add the chocolate gene and she is chocolate. To that chocolate, add a blue gene and she becomes mauve......they mix, you can't have both chocolate and blue or dun and blue present in "separate" locations that were black.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

The birds that present with this pattern also have a more powdery blue look to them instead if the "dark" slate blue. Is it possible that the colors could be mixing but my eyes just can't tell the difference? I will take some photos to get and tomorrow.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

Well I don't know how much worse of a job I could have done getting photos. The lighting just does not do well. I will get more in natural light.

And here is a "normal" blue Langshan cockerel.

 

[smoothmule]

Well I don't know how much worse of a job I could have done getting photos. The lighting just does not do well. I will get more in natural light.



And here is a "normal" blue Langshan cockerel.

What do you mean by normal blue? I've seen several different blue's these all appear blue to me

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

I will get better photos tomorrow to see if I can have the contrast show up a bit more. The lights cast everything yellowish.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

hard to tell from the pics, but I'm betting you have a couple platinum birds there in those lighter birds.
Just hatched a few in my phoenix about 7-8 weeks ago. They are feathering out now and look very similar in shade and do have a darker lacing on the edges to them as well, but it's just a darker platinum color. Kinda looks brown too if you look hard enough...
But yes the pics are a bit hard to tell 100% on.

but if you have bred blue and dun together or especially splash and khaki, then I'm pretty confident in saying you have platinum there is all. Which is cool in it's own, very proud of mine!

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

My "normal blues" have a darker overall blue feather. The outside lacing is a much darker blue. All of these are "blue" but the odd ones are the ones that lack the darker blues.

Here are a few photos of the oldest cockerel showing a much more defined difference. There is no leakage on these birds. No red or silver on any feathers.

 

[smoothmule]

Photo's are just not going to give you the answers you need. Breeding them to a black will give you the real answers. I have had so many people swear to me they have dun, then breed to a black and get blue chicks. That will be the true test to determine what you have. How many generations of this color have you bred yourself? What breed are they? you have to ask if it's even "possible" for dun to be present. Sometimes they can fool you. I've had blues that were every shade from a pale, powder blue to the typical Andalusian blue, blues so dark they look black (but bred to each other produced blue splash) and rusty looking blues that look exactly like yours. They bred true as a blue, that's how I could tell for sure

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

that's true 100%. Also I have to say, the rust color in the blue actually is red leakage in a blue. It's just not a bright red like you would see on a blue. But if you removed the blue gene from the mix, you'd had a reddish tinted black male.

Also like smoothmule said, you personally have to have a true dun bird of your own that was bred to make these if there's any chance of an actual dun or platinum bird in there. Otherwise they are just all various shades of blue, with different degrees of red leakage. Very faint red leakage yields that sort of rusty look in hackle and saddle feathering

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

I wonder if I am just lucky and have had no red leakage in my blacks. Not one black has any leakage. When bred to a black female, these colored birds come out. When bred with another blue, this color and the dark blue comes out. I am going to be breeding a straight pen of this color to see if I can get a more defined color. Maybe even get a splash with this color in an unmarked feather.

I have had some bantam blue males with red leakage and it is an extreme "orange" color. Some have gold leakage which takes on a more yellow color than this.

I have had this line of birds (Langshans) for only 7 years, but the person I purchased them from had this line for 40+ years. But I know he had much more genetic diversity than I began with. I began with a pair and inbred ferociously for several years. When I began have inbreeding issues, I introduced another male from the same line. He does not have the coloring nor does he pass it on to his chicks.

I suppose I will just have to wait and see. Thank you all for your insight!