Raising and Growing Our Organic and Not- So-Organic Foods

[ShrekDawg]

It is qualified and included because it is a normal/typical drink of the people of the US.

You must choose your battles. MANY people live on limitd diets because that is in their best interest. As I said, a mattter of choice. If the doctor said you have X disease and you can only eat chicken, would you do that?

Yeah I know but I still found it odd on a list of foods but idk ha but I guess people want to know and would probably ask

And that's true. And I mean, I'm all for limited diets and there's other ones a million other ones for other health issues too and they all claim to cure all your health problems hah but this one just seems almost like too limited is what I'm saying. Like you can't eat anything.

And I mean, no probably not cause that would be disgusting and boring pretty quickly and you'd probably die eating only that haha

I mean unless they said you had no choice

 

[Arielle2]

ummmm, I think you are misunderstanding the original post on the subject.
Foods are only a problem for those that have a reaction. Not everyone with amalgams have a reaction, hence the elimination diet to verify. Then a person can make the choice of eating foods than make them feel crappy, or use the two lists to help.

I live on a limited diet. I feel better on it. I avoid sugar, cant remember the last time I had bread, potatos and rice. Oh wait.... rice last summer.

Many people cannot eat milk products--because of the proteins or the milk sugar.
Many cannnot eat gluten.
MSG is a bigger problem than most people realize.
My son's friend cannot eat cranberries.
Too much cheese leads me to binges.

There are food intolerances where a person just feels yucky; there are outright allergies where antihistamine treatment is a must; there are foods that drive food cravings.

Elimination diets help ID each of these.

DId I make the situation clearer????

 

[ShrekDawg]

ummmm, I think you are misunderstanding the original post on the subject.
Foods are only a problem for those that have a reaction. Not everyone with amalgams have a reaction, hence the elimination diet to verify. Then a person can make the choice of eating foods than make them feel crappy, or use the two lists to help.

I live on a limited diet. I feel better on it. I avoid sugar, cant remember the last time I had bread, potatos and rice. Oh wait.... rice last summer.

Many people cannot eat milk products--because of the proteins or the milk sugar.
Many cannnot eat gluten.
MSG is a bigger problem than most people realize.
My son's friend cannot eat cranberries.
Too much cheese leads me to binges.

There are food intolerances where a person just feels yucky; there are outright allergies where antihistamine treatment is a must; there are foods that drive food cravings.

Elimination diets help ID each of these.

DId I make the situation clearer????

Sorry if I sounded at all rude or like I was making fun of it or anything! I am sure the diets do help some people. My friend's sister is on this diet kinda like keto but slightly different so a lot of fats and she also can't have sugar or milk (milk makes her act drunk) and she says it's made her feel better/clearer brain and it has also hugely helped with her epilepsy. She has epilepsy and autism. It helped a lot, although the vegal nerve stimulator she got a couple years ago is what has really really helped.

But anyway.

I know that they can definitely work for a lot of people.

And of course you do need to do an elimination diet to find out.

But that was somewhat my point...

There's so many health blogs and stuff now that say oh sugars bad, grains bad, dairys bad, yeast is bad, or yeast overgrowth causes these symptoms. Etc. And you habe to do an elimination diet to find out if you have an issue. Well that's somewhat my point that you don't know unless you do the diets but everyone is claiming theirs is the cause of your issues, so how do you know who is telling the truth or not unless you try every single diet? It just seems like an impossibility to me.... I'm not saying that their lying or that limited diets are bad or anything like that but all I was trying to say is that everyone says theirs will cure your problems and you won't know until you try it. And most claim to cause the same symptoms. So how do you know what is really the root of your symptoms?

I think a balanced diet of everything but mostly healthy stuff like veggied is probably better rather than avoiding stuff cause there's soooo much to avoid according to everyone, even a lot of veggies.

Not that limited diets don't work for some people. It's just way too restrictive for me and too much work.

Now, would one of those diets possibly help me? Yeah possibly and I wouldn't know it until I tried it. But I don't really want to be on a limited diet even if that sounds ridiculously stupid.

That said, I might cut out dairy. Been feeling slightly weird when I eat it lately

 

[Arielle2]

You did not sound rude, or anything like that, more sounded like you needed more information....

I can understand how one diet says they are better than another---so I read every book available at the time and compared them, trialled them, and found the one I could live with. Much much more research has been done in the last 16 years since the last edition of DANDR, but it is still valid.

There are versions of low carb diets. From weight watchers to keto, and 6-7 in between. I know DANDR best so I stick with that one. A friend does KETO as tha works for her. Another friend likes Weight Watchers. All these low carb diets are about the same.

There are calorie restricted diets and low fat diets---never worked for me. I have stayed with DANDR for 18 years.

The elimination diet is the elimination diet. Not a diet to drop weight meaning of diet but a restricted diet, eat only a few foods that are likely to not cause problems. Then add one food back for a few days and see how you feel. Either it is ok or it is not. Hence one more food eliminated off the list of maybes.

Many of the diets to loose weight include the elimination diet because if a person has an intolerance, if not frank allergic, to a given food, the body reacts and inflammation results. A body in that mode cannot effectively diet to drop excess pounds. That is why it is included. Often many meds interfere with weight reduction too.

For anyone who has lived on the standard AMerican diet , they have lots of GI problems; eating a balanced diet of under 100 carbs a day fixes that. Might need probiotics too. Not yogurt but high volume pill form.

Next question.....

 

[ShrekDawg]

You did not sound rude, or anything like that, more sounded like you needed more information....

I can understand how one diet says they are better than another---so I read every book available at the time and compared them, trialled them, and found the one I could live with. Much much more research has been done in the last 16 years since the last edition of DANDR, but it is still valid.

There are versions of low carb diets. From weight watchers to keto, and 6-7 in between. I know DANDR best so I stick with that one. A friend does KETO as tha works for her. Another friend likes Weight Watchers. All these low carb diets are about the same.

There are calorie restricted diets and low fat diets---never worked for me. I have stayed with DANDR for 18 years.

The elimination diet is the elimination diet. Not a diet to drop weight meaning of diet but a restricted diet, eat only a few foods that are likely to not cause problems. Then add one food back for a few days and see how you feel. Either it is ok or it is not. Hence one more food eliminated off the list of maybes.

Many of the diets to loose weight include the elimination diet because if a person has an intolerance, if not frank allergic, to a given food, the body reacts and inflammation results. A body in that mode cannot effectively diet to drop excess pounds. That is why it is included. Often many meds interfere with weight reduction too.

For anyone who has lived on the standard AMerican diet , they have lots of GI problems; eating a balanced diet of under 100 carbs a day fixes that. Might need probiotics too. Not yogurt but high volume pill form.

Next question.....

Thanks, that makes sense. I never thought of the inflammation making it hard to lose weight thing

Although, idk, i feel like restricting anything too much (or adding like super super high protein diets) of anything isn't necessarily a good thing. I guess I semi changed when i just finished a nutrition class and realize how important everything is, in moderation of course, but i always kinda felt a middle ground was best, that just kinda proved it. But if it works, it works. Americans definitely eat too much junk hah

I think maybe what might be good is eliminating like bread and that sort of stuff but still getting some carbs from potatoes? Or sweet potatoes maybe instead.

Idk.

 

[Arielle2]

The restricted diet is a test. Not a permanent diet. Add in every food that doesnt create a negative reaction.

In college I studied Animal Science. I took far more nutrition classes than any pre-med or nurse. Including Ruminant Nutrition-- a graduate class. While we are not ruminants, it helped me years later to understand WHY microbes in the GI are critical to good health. Only 25% of medical schools teach nutrition according to Dr. Berg. ( he has hundreds of lectures on utube),

I have gone to see a NUtrtionist 2x--and dropped all the literature in the trash 2x. I know more than they do. I relied on DANDR for weight loss, and now years later, I eat a far greater variety of foods than I when started back in 2000. A couple of the more recent additions are purslane and dandilions. Choose foods wisely. FOr the best nutrition possible. More vegies than fruits.

I dont eat sugar in moderation--I dont eat sugar. No breads. No pasta. No good nutrtion in either. Berries and nuts are packed with goodness with few carbohydrates.

Hence the 3 cherry bushes going in this year.

All the poor quality fruits will go to the chickens which give us eggs.

 

[Leahs Mom]

I've had to skim and not read everything in depth... is DANDR Dr. Atkins diet Revolution? I also have studied quite a bit on nutrition, inflammation, etc. over many years. I'm also a member of WPF. I've never quite gotten to the "no sugar" state. I sometimes feel like I have more than enough knowledge but don't always live by the knowledge I have.

@KDOGG331 I do understand the "moderation in everything" approach in general and why that makes sense. And like Arielle says, elimination diets when you're having physical issues are temporary to help with diagnosis.

There are so many things that we eat in America that aren't really food. A weird way to put it, but it's true. And so many folks don't eve realize it. If it's at the store it's fo

 

[Leahs Mom]

Also - I get it on the nutritionist's advice. Often close to worthless.

 

[Arielle2]

One thing led to another and found this woman. She has been teaching at Smith untill her recent resignation, to delve into research fulltime. She has helped me understand the hystamine issue regarding eating foods that are high or low.

A little techical, but more friendly than a published paper. Do take the time to watch as histamines take a "staggering effect on the body". We can control histamines that we eat. IF need be. Only about 1-2 % are histamine intolerant.

 

[Arielle2]

Planted third cherry tree. Put a shade clothe over each for most of the day, off during am and late afternoon.

Debating about ordering sale trees from Stark.

Decided running a hose in to the orchard would be a good idea. Carying one bucket for 1 tree is ok but the number of trees is not just one anymore. lol