Rant-- Accountability -- edited for meaning

[Boyd]

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actually I am just sort of ranting about people who think all guns are evil. I was merely pointing out they are tools. guns dont kill people, people kill people. I find that sort of argument flawed. I agree everyone's situation is different, but to say guns need to be unloaded and locked up 100% of the time... because somebody might find it and might play with it.....

I'm not saying that's horrible, I am saying that blaming the guns is bad parenting.

That's the root of it... They are accepting no responsibility and placing the blame elsewhere. I somehow ended up ok, and I grew up with MTV so

 

[ranchhand]

Though my elder sister had a .357 Magnum, she never used it in her 4 attempts at suicide. As Don said, she was begging for help and attention.

This thread started as a question about what good is having a gun for defensive purposes (and hunting) if you cannot gain access to it immediately. I reckon we should get back on the topic.

 

[Kansaseq]

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Agree

 

[WriterofWords]

There will always be illustrations for both sides, pro and anti gun/weapon. There will be examples of how had it been locked up this wouldn't have happened or if it hadn't had a trigger lock with a missing key someone might be alive today. The point here is this I think: Don't judge the other side of the story. Just because you feel differently doesn't make you any more right or wrong than the person with the other side of the story.

 

[debilorrah]

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My Dad was a cop for 38 years. One day I came home and some pictures on the counter so I picked them up to see what they were (I was around 11). It looked like a picture of a pizza until I saw the jawbone in the middle of it. Ohhhhh. "It's an exploded head" I said to myself.

Someone who kills themselves with a gun or rope know what they want and know how to do it. Few gun related suicide attempts fail. Not to go totally off topic but if you try to commit suicide by cutting or overdosing you're just trying to hurt yourself or crying out for help.

My step son tried to take his hand off with a very well crafted Cutco knife. If we hadn't been here, that cry would not have been heard. I am equally sure if he knew where the gun was he wouldn't be here today, healed and happy. But that doesn't change my feelings about having a gun and gun control.

 

[greathorse]

Boyd I honor your right to your rant and your right to your gun and your use of it. I will continue to say that I have guns in my home that I consider tools. I keep them as tools and use them as tools. I have no hesitation to use them to cull, harvest or defend.

Here is the part I dont really get about some folks that are "gun enthusiasts". I dont hear folks obsessing about other tools in their possession. When was the last time we had a big rant about the use of hammers, screwdrivers etc etc.. For some reason there are folks that (in my opinion) embrace an obsession about guns, especially about their use in terms of using them against other human beings and shootting everything that walks across the property.

For my money we would all be better served to use this tool in a quieter more restrained fashion and perhaps we would have less focus on restricting their use.

I repeat I do own guns, I do support ownership, I dont think there should be further restricitons I just dont quite understand the fascination with them.

And I dont think that those that choose to live their lives without them are dumber, weaker, more cowardly than those that publicly speak of their role in their lives.

 

[Boyd]

ok, suicide talk is a lil depressing to me because it's touched me as well, but some folks are crying out for attention. Those that aren't usually end up succeeding if the family and counseling doesn't step in.

Please no more suicide talk tho. Very sore subject here.

 

[ranchhand]

I have a truly serious set of needlenose pliers. If I pinch your nose tip off, is it me or is it the pliers? If a child gets hold of those pliers and pinches your nose tip off, it it the child or the pliers?

Not the pliers.

My fault for wielding the tool or my fault for letting the child have the tool.

 

[debilorrah]

You don't hear about power tools because they are not threatened with being taken away. Someone comes along and wants my Blacker and Decker mouse, they will have to deal with the Smith & wesson

 

[Kansaseq]

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