Retrievers vs Spaniels!

[ShrekDawg]

Hounds are the only correct answer.

I mean I love every dog who crosses my path. But i like REALLLLY love hounds. Particularly those with big floppy ears.

Hounds are awesome too!! There’s a guy here who always hikes with three of them (though I think only two are his) and they’re so sweet and awesome. Brew is actually part foxhound and beagle hahah

 

[MGG]

If they’re well bred though, shouldn’t they all be pretty much equal temperaments and stuff anyways? Can’t imagine they’d be that different maybe they are though, idk. A lot of places though, like my state, have laws about when the puppies can be sold too. Here it’s 8 weeks. If it works for you and the triallers and everyone though that’s awesome.

And wow that dog sounds really annoying LOL

And with Brew I’ve tried turning around and ignoring him, leashing him so I can pull him down, telling him sit, a stern NO!, etc. but nothing seems to work. I can’t remember if I have tried the knee thing or not. I wanna say I have and he didn’t care but I’m not sure. I might have to start trying that. Also he climbs on me when I’m sitting sometimes too so I feel like that might be hindering our progress? I should probably start discouraging that too cause I feel like that’s inconsistent and giving him mixed signals? I was going to try using his e collar too but idk if it would work. I feel like it would. I think I’ve used it before actually and it worked really well but I haven’t since so he still jumps. The issue is you can’t really correct him after he jumps because then he’s already done it and possibly scratched someone or whatever. That’s awesome you cured that other dog though!! I’d love pictures.

They are until seven weeks. After that you start to get undesirable traits no matter what. Even before it you can sometimes but it's a lot less often.
Yeah I've heard the law thing. I think as long as it is between 7-8 weeks you'd be ok, as long as you got it as soon as possible. If the puppy is separated from it's littermates that will also eliminate litter related behavioral problems from popping up. I had a guy who wanted one of Avery's female puppies but he couldn't come until she would be nine weeks, so I offered to separate her for him. They just don't bond well much after that and they affects how much they trust you, which in turn affects training. They can still develop a good bond but it'll never be as good as one that you get young. They're ready to be separated from their dam and littermates and when you do that they are searching for a new "mother". That becomes you and that becomes an unbreakable bond.
For hunting it's especially important because the dog has to trust his owner/trainer completely. To send a dog on a 300 yd. blind retrieve takes a lot of confidence on the dog's part that there's something out there for him to get, and he'll keep going on the same line until he finds it. It betrays all natural instincts and requires them to rely fully on their handler.
Now for the average dog owner it might not matter really how much the dog trusts you but in a dog I feel like you'd want the dog to reach his full potential, in terms of bond and trust.
A dog confident in his owner and leader yet also with a healthy respect of them is the best companion there is. That's why I always feel awful for dogs in shelters because they've just been wasted. No matter how much you do and rehabilitate you can never fully get that back.

With the kneeing you have to go hard. They're tough so it has to be almost hard enough to flip them backwards. It'll take them by surprise more than anything and they won't like it. Jumping up is dangerous in a big dog, especially if it happens to a little kid.
Usually having a few bigger guys do it works pretty well.
You could probably also use a shock collar, but again they get wise to it fast. You could try a long check cord too, you'd need someone at the end of it strong enough to about flip the dog. Set up a situation where he doesn't know he's attached and bring in someone new or someone he consistently jumps up on and when he gets to the end yank it. It would really only take a couple tries and he'll get the idea, maybe even once if he's smart. Scold him after he gets yanked and that will be all you need.
A horse whip does work great too. Catching them across the ears once is all that's necessary to teach them you mean business. It just stings. We use it when the dogs go through their teenage rebellious stage and the best part is they never know if you have it or not.
We never need any of those things after six months old because they know that no means no and if they don't listen they're going to learn it the hard way.
Some of our dogs we've never had to do any of that with bit Avery had a stubborn streak when she was about 17 weeks, I'd let her out to go to the bathroom and she'd decide to just stand outside and refuse to come to the door. This was January so not a fun time to chase an uncatchable puppy outside late at night.
A cable hooked to a post that she didn't know she was hooked up on and the next time she tried it she got to meet the horse whip. If it's something they know they're doing wrong you make them yip once. Wait a minute and they'll come to you for forgiveness, they'll lick your feet or hands. Then you can move on as if it never happened. That is a lesson they never forget and it's invaluable. It's something that really can't hurt them either, you'd just never want to catch their eyes or nose.

I wish Labs were smaller because they’re otherwise perfect maybe a female would be a little smaller???

The size isn't really that bad, honestly. They don't take up much more room than a spaniel or anything would. They can live outside perfectly happy in a kennel too. As long as a lab got to fetch or be worked for 20 minutes a day they'd be completely happy. The rest of the time they're content to stay in a crate if you're gone or curl up at your feet while you work. We had a mini Pomeranian poodle mix once and she took up way more room than the labs, with her big crate that was the only thing she wouldn't crap in while we were gone and her crate in our room upstairs too.
She was really dumb and we got her too old and she did not train well either. She was sooo yappy too and no matter what discipline we used she didn't seem to care. We found her a nice home and never looked back, lol.
Labs really don't need crates once they're house broken which is great. We could leave a whole tray of food on the floor and leave on a day trip and none of our dogs would touch it. They don't get on the couch or beds either while we're gone.

Labs can get huge. Ive seen ones over 100lbs and it wasnt overweight

Yeah the male I bred Avery with weighs 97 lbs and he's super fit. He's only barely two and I think he's going to fill out more too yet. He's such a good boy though. My cousin is renting a tiny downstairs of a house and he is so good and careful in there, though he looks like a bull in a china shop. He just stays on his nice little bed in the corner.

I love Brittanys!

Aren't Brittanys not actually spaniels at all?
We've hunted with some, they're kind of wild but are cute. Still not as good as labs with hunting even, haha. They are pretty dogs though. The longer hair maintenance makes me cringe.

 

[MGG]

I found some pics of that poodle lab mix I watched.

He was a character. His name was Ace.

 

[ShrekDawg]

They are until seven weeks. After that you start to get undesirable traits no matter what. Even before it you can sometimes but it's a lot less often.
Yeah I've heard the law thing. I think as long as it is between 7-8 weeks you'd be ok, as long as you got it as soon as possible. If the puppy is separated from it's littermates that will also eliminate litter related behavioral problems from popping up. I had a guy who wanted one of Avery's female puppies but he couldn't come until she would be nine weeks, so I offered to separate her for him. They just don't bond well much after that and they affects how much they trust you, which in turn affects training. They can still develop a good bond but it'll never be as good as one that you get young. They're ready to be separated from their dam and littermates and when you do that they are searching for a new "mother". That becomes you and that becomes an unbreakable bond.
For hunting it's especially important because the dog has to trust his owner/trainer completely. To send a dog on a 300 yd. blind retrieve takes a lot of confidence on the dog's part that there's something out there for him to get, and he'll keep going on the same line until he finds it. It betrays all natural instincts and requires them to rely fully on their handler.
Now for the average dog owner it might not matter really how much the dog trusts you but in a dog I feel like you'd want the dog to reach his full potential, in terms of bond and trust.
A dog confident in his owner and leader yet also with a healthy respect of them is the best companion there is. That's why I always feel awful for dogs in shelters because they've just been wasted. No matter how much you do and rehabilitate you can never fully get that back.

With the kneeing you have to go hard. They're tough so it has to be almost hard enough to flip them backwards. It'll take them by surprise more than anything and they won't like it. Jumping up is dangerous in a big dog, especially if it happens to a little kid.
Usually having a few bigger guys do it works pretty well.
You could probably also use a shock collar, but again they get wise to it fast. You could try a long check cord too, you'd need someone at the end of it strong enough to about flip the dog. Set up a situation where he doesn't know he's attached and bring in someone new or someone he consistently jumps up on and when he gets to the end yank it. It would really only take a couple tries and he'll get the idea, maybe even once if he's smart. Scold him after he gets yanked and that will be all you need.
A horse whip does work great too. Catching them across the ears once is all that's necessary to teach them you mean business. It just stings. We use it when the dogs go through their teenage rebellious stage and the best part is they never know if you have it or not.
We never need any of those things after six months old because they know that no means no and if they don't listen they're going to learn it the hard way.
Some of our dogs we've never had to do any of that with bit Avery had a stubborn streak when she was about 17 weeks, I'd let her out to go to the bathroom and she'd decide to just stand outside and refuse to come to the door. This was January so not a fun time to chase an uncatchable puppy outside late at night.
A cable hooked to a post that she didn't know she was hooked up on and the next time she tried it she got to meet the horse whip. If it's something they know they're doing wrong you make them yip once. Wait a minute and they'll come to you for forgiveness, they'll lick your feet or hands. Then you can move on as if it never happened. That is a lesson they never forget and it's invaluable. It's something that really can't hurt them either, you'd just never want to catch their eyes or nose.

The size isn't really that bad, honestly. They don't take up much more room than a spaniel or anything would. They can live outside perfectly happy in a kennel too. As long as a lab got to fetch or be worked for 20 minutes a day they'd be completely happy. The rest of the time they're content to stay in a crate if you're gone or curl up at your feet while you work. We had a mini Pomeranian poodle mix once and she took up way more room than the labs, with her big crate that was the only thing she wouldn't crap in while we were gone and her crate in our room upstairs too.
She was really dumb and we got her too old and she did not train well either. She was sooo yappy too and no matter what discipline we used she didn't seem to care. We found her a nice home and never looked back, lol.
Labs really don't need crates once they're house broken which is great. We could leave a whole tray of food on the floor and leave on a day trip and none of our dogs would touch it. They don't get on the couch or beds either while we're gone.

Yeah the male I bred Avery with weighs 97 lbs and he's super fit. He's only barely two and I think he's going to fill out more too yet. He's such a good boy though. My cousin is renting a tiny downstairs of a house and he is so good and careful in there, though he looks like a bull in a china shop. He just stays on his nice little bed in the corner.

Aren't Brittanys not actually spaniels at all?
We've hunted with some, they're kind of wild but are cute. Still not as good as labs with hunting even, haha. They are pretty dogs though. The longer hair maintenance makes me cringe.

Thanks for all the info! It’s really helpful!! I’m gonna try the kneeing thing and see if it works. Hopefully it will.

And as for the Brittanys, yeah I think they’re technically classified as maybe a pointer? Or their own separate category but yeah. The long hair makes me cringe too hahah especially with burrs.

 

[Ilovemychicks08]

All of our dogs learned not to jump unless asked starting as soon as they come home, the leash went under our foot when we knew they were going to jump and it took 2 times for Denver 5 or 6 for Tucker(he is a stubborn pup).
The kneeing thing doesnt work. And it actually hurts the dogs more than it helps them.

 

[Evadig]

Oh those burrs ! And my dog doesn’t even have really long fur, I trim it during the summer. But after every walk I spend more than half an hour pulling burrs off her.

 

[ShrekDawg]

All of our dogs learned not to jump unless asked starting as soon as they come home, the leash went under our foot when we knew they were going to jump and it took 2 times for Denver 5 or 6 for Tucker(he is a stubborn pup).
The kneeing thing doesnt work. And it actually hurts the dogs more than it helps them.

I don’t think it’s supposed to be done hard enough to hurt them, just startle a bit. But I could be wrong. But the leash thing does not work for Brewster. I’ve tried it numerous times. He just pulls and lunges on it so he’s still able to jump.

 

[ShrekDawg]

Oh those burrs ! And my dog doesn’t even have really long fur, I trim it during the summer. But after every walk I spend more than half an hour pulling burrs off her.

Oh wow that sounds like a pain! Literally hahah those things hurt!

 

[ShrekDawg]

I found some pics of that poodle lab mix I watched. View attachment 3592204View attachment 3592205

He was a character. His name was Ace.

So cute!!!

 

[MGG]

Thanks for all the info! It’s really helpful!! I’m gonna try the kneeing thing and see if it works. Hopefully it will.

And as for the Brittanys, yeah I think they’re technically classified as maybe a pointer? Or their own separate category but yeah. The long hair makes me cringe too hahah especially with burrs.

It should. If not you I'd probably try the shock collar next but turn it up high enough he'll get the message loud and clear. I'm assuming he's been conditioned properly to it?

Yeah if they are used for actual hunting or anything outdoorsy I'm sure it would get to be a nightmare. That sounds right.